Thread: Where's Patch 4.35

Originally Posted by Remedi

One thing, remember that the having nothing to do is true if you have really finished everything to do in the game, which can be a big IF to some ppl, so while this is not to be taken as an against to your position, be mindful of this possibility

That imo is not a good argument because that would mean that nobody ever can say that they have nothing to do. Heck some of the achievements take years to complete and I would dare to say that most people will never finish them. When people say they have nothing to do they mean new content. You cant just keep an MMO alive with long time achievements. If we discuss this points we should never take those into account because they are not content itself but making something artificial longer. I mean I am quite sure that raiders for example would not be fine if they just get one new raid per expansion and the rest is just achivements. "Hey did you already do 1000 run of each raid stage? No? Well then you have something to do and should not complain for a lack of new raids."

There is a point where running the same dungeons again, where crafting the same items for achievements again, where gathering the same ores for the 10.000 HQ achievement will be just annoying. Thats why we need new content, and at least it feels that this patch did not gave it enough.

Originally Posted by Remedi

however take notice that complaining about lack of New content IS, WAS and FOREVER will be a poor argument (if by new you mean as new addition, not new concept ofc) because there's no way that they can keep up churning out new content to satisfy content consumption and that's not a SE problem per se.

I would never go and say forever because there will often exist an exception. I mean if for example they truly just release one raid per expansion the raiders that are raiding are out of raid content, thus they would be right to complain about a lack of content for them. I know that there always will be people that will finish even the biggest patch in no time and you will also always have people that are slow. But neither of them should be those that the devs should take into account when they are planning their patches. Otherwise they either have to pump out unnecessary huge amount of content or barely anything. (If for example SE would take the word of someone that started new, they would not need to pump out any patches for quite a while because that person does have a huge amount of things to do, but I would dare to say that a lot of us would not be happy with that.)

I also believe that someone that plays this game in a normal pace (and your friend for example seems to be slower) and from the beginning thus have everything they wanted to do completed can call it lack of content. Maybe a better way is to say, the patch itself lacks in content? In the end if you are up to date and are waiting for the patch to bring you new content/additions and you can just finish everything the new patch has to offer in a week or two and then are already bored and need to search for something else to do in the game (which are mostly achievements) then imo there is something wrong with the patch. And this could have been changed if they gave us Eureka or the new PotD at least two weeks after the initial launch.

(And honestly imo saying that its a poor argument is subjective. Everyone has their own kind of definition of lack of content. Some will just count that what they like, some will take each and every achievement in the game into this thus nobody would ever be able to truly complain and so on. But if I for example only look at it from the perspective that a new patch is out and how long it takes a normal paced person to complete the casual content of it then for me this shows a lack of content. Does that make me objectively right? Probably not. But imo we cant discuss this objectively. Thus I dont find it a poor argument at all, we just see it in different ways.)

@Alleo
As I said, the content itself has some problems in it's longevity and some of those problems have been accentuated by the devs caving to playerbase requests. While I agree that it sucks never getting a primal mount, I think that the totem exchange pushed things too far, I can't blame only the devs for caving to this request however because that's what we asked without understanding full well what it would lead, which imho is a problem in many QoL I've seen.
Also I've already said that I don't agree with the spacing out of content and how while not a real problem for the time being it's a start that might actually evolve in what I fear beign the broken shore experience of legion.

That said I want ppl to reflect that how you tackle the content it's your own buisness and not necessarely a game problem, I say this since there have been many back and forth of ,good for you doing this or that, that honestly are nothing but flame baits while both side being right. Frankly I think both long standing players and returning/new/slower paced players could come together and agree to some points.
Duration of content really won't be one of them, but quality and replayability of it probably will

Besides everyone seems to agree that we would like to be given the choice on how to spend our time and not beign told that we did this because we worried you would feel too overwhelmed, as said Imho that's none of SE buisness how I decide to spend my time on the game

Originally Posted by Remedi

That said I want ppl to reflect that how you tackle the content it's your own buisness and not necessarely a game problem, I say this since there have been many back and forth of ,good for you doing this or that, that honestly are nothing but flame baits while both side being right.

For most of the time it is a problem of the player and not the game but if more and more people complain about lack of patch content and the devs seemingly feel the need to stretch one patch that much, I do wonder if its not starting to become a game problem which will hit those that are playing normal too.

But yeah I can totaly agree with the point about how they should not dictate how we spend our time. Lets hope that they dont do that stretch again. (I do not have a problem if some parts are stretched out a bit. 2-3 weeks later for example. But for me this patch has really overdone it.)