selling wins

[Maero]

Also silly is not being able to show who said individual is because you will get banned.
Clearly these people are crooks and when they get peoples real money would most likely not even give you a clear run of whatever content.
Maybe i am just Iron Fist but it reminds me of the law where i live, minors if they commit any crime cannot have their name mentioned which is obsurd

[F_Maximillian]

I find it strange how people are fine with run selling for gil but not rl cash. Especially considering most people who could pay with gil anyway are probably buying that gil to begin with. Selling runs in general is a problem because it poisons the well (duty completed party finders) but the fault lies with the buyers not the sellers. It isn't really that big a deal though honestly. 90% of the community can't be bothered to raid so if some guy pays some group to clear for him in an attempt to seem cool then how does it hurt most of the community that doesn't care to begin with. RMT in most games is extremely destructive to the playerbase and that game's economy but in this game that just isn't the case. At worst gil buying influences the crafter wars but most crafters involved make more gil than the gil sellers do anyway. I don't think run selling is anywhere near as destructive and it's just the hot topic for this week for some reason.

[Stormfur]

There is plenty of evidence in this on "other forums and tools", but I understand why it cannot be used as evidence since photos can be tampered with.

Video clips, on the other hand, are nearly impossible to edit without it not looking like it was tampered with. I wish they'd accept those because trust me...as someone with years of experience editing videos, it is 1) a royal pain to do so 2) easily discernible.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

So, I noticed this just showed up recently: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d5018ee8fc7b01

Between the reddit post about people selling UwU clears, JP bloggers bringing up the reddit post, and this post being made, I doubt it's a coincidence.

Of course, this doesn't actually mean anything is going to change, considering how they decided to be less transparent about the number of bans being issued for botting after people complained on a large scale, yet none of the regulars on my server have been touched still, and the number of bots has actually gone up significantly instead.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d5018ee8fc7b01 Dated June 18, 2018.

Well... That "such as advertisements within the game leading to external services" point seems to imply that these may actually be investigated...

[Penthea]

but isn't this just blatant RMT?

It is. I think one of the reasons why SE don't really crack down on this particular form of RMT is because it doesn't really impact the game itself very much.

Someone buying a boss kill with real cash doesn't give them the advantages buying gil would. It doesn't really affect server economy, it doesn't feed house flipping and it's not supported by botting (yes I am aware some high profile raid teams do use some shady things like botting to support themselves but my point is you don't need to do that to be in a position to sell boss kills).

That being said it doesn't mean the person who got paid won't buy gil with that money, but they could just as easily be paying their rent or buying a new graphics card with it. I think if those players wanted gil for boss kills, they would just ask for gil instead of real cash.

Furthermore buying a boss kill doesn't deprive someone else of a boss kill. There aren't a limited amount of attempts to kill a boss or a limited amount of times it can drop loot. Unlike housing, boss kills and their loot aren't a finite number.

When players talk about this issue they are against it because of their own values and/or are angry with SE being selectively against RMT, not because they have been personally negatively affected by it. So conversation is closer to criticism than raging salt with threat of unsubbing.

Don't get me wrong, I strongly disagree with any form of RMT and I do think SE should do something about it. But at the same time I can see why it's not appearing to be a priority for them. It frankly isn't causing enough problems or drama for them to care enough.

[Rita1989]

It is. I think one of the reasons why SE don't really crack down on this particular form of RMT is because it doesn't really impact the game itself very much.

Except at least one of these groups literally sells pvp rank in the feast which effects anyone who is trying to get a top 100 finish.

SE really needs to possibly relook its policy on this one, apparently the recent reddit post got some traction on the jp community as well so maybe it will get to someone.

The world first race at this point is basically a race to see who can sell the content first.

[RiyahArp]

One of the reasons I can't stand raiders is due to this. They always talk so much crap about gitting gud and skill, and then they turn around, and do things like this. Its always the same in every game, the public face and the private face. And when they get confronted with it, they always try to justify it.

Look, in the past mercing/paying gil for clears was only tolerated because it was assumed you legitimately earned the gil via crafting, endgame playing, etc. Even then it was kind of eh, but games in the past had a huge time component that often meant you had to do a week's work of prerequisite grinding for a hard fight and 1/24 chance at a drop. In this game though all content is accessible with the least amount of busywork; you can jump in and access the fight right away, and the rewards are not strenuous or hard to get.

The fact though that people not only are making rl money on this, but they think zero is wrong with it, is worrisome and really denigrates the idea of the game and the raid community.

[Penthea]

One of the reasons I can't stand raiders is due to this. They always talk so much crap about gitting gud and skill, and then they turn around, and do things like this. Its always the same in every game, the public face and the private face. And when they get confronted with it, they always try to justify it.

99% of raiders do not engage in this behaviour at all. Don't paint all raiders in the same colour.

[RiyahArp]

99% of raiders do not engage in this behaviour at all. Don't paint all raiders in the same colour.

I call bull on this. enough do it or support it that the culture is somehow shifted to where people are actually seriously defending this practice. The change is what gets me; i expect world firsters to be corrupt as hell; the big HNM shells on FFXI all botted, I doubt its much different here. But that thread surprised me in just how many people thought it wasn't an issue whatsoever.

[Penthea]

I call bull on this.

Then you don't know anything about the raiding scene. Sorry but you really don't if you're going to assume most raiding teams engage in RMT or botting. Most raiders are just ordinary players, and the most they do that is against the Terms of Use is have a parser.

I agree that RMT and botting is bad and that defending it is disgraceful, but you're frankly wrong in your thinking that this is common practise among raiders.

Except at least one of these groups literally sells pvp rank in the feast which effects anyone who is trying to get a top 100 finish.

I was completely unaware of this. Well then, I guess in some cases it can affect other players. But my point still stands about the effect being very minor outside those involved. SE are likely going to do very little unless it actually severely impacts enough players. Hell even the outrage of this doesn't hold a candle to the outrage over the housing situation in 4.1. We're going to need that level of salt before we see decisive action from SE about raiders selling kills for real cash.