selling wins

[Bacent]

Just try to talk to them and get them to admit you need to buy something with cash and send it to them, then report them.

[swiss_Momo]

I assume this is in light of the recent plebbit thread about a certain world first FC from Gilgamesh selling stuff for ridiculous prices? Now were did I put that "RMT; botting; hacking; win trading - I sleep. Calling someone stupid or posting lewd mod pics on twitter - real shit" meme pic again....

[Sebazy]

I assume this is in light of the recent plebbit thread about a certain world first FC from Gilgamesh selling stuff for ridiculous prices? Now were did I put that "RMT; botting; hacking; win trading - I sleep. Calling someone stupid or posting lewd mod pics on twitter - real shit" meme pic again....

World second, please

Seriously though, this has been a thing for years now. I've sold content for gil going right back to Titan and yes, I've had people offer me money going as far back as SCOB (Which I refused fyi). Do I think it's a problem? I'll admit I'm not especially keen on pvp win trading but carries? It takes some clutching at straws to find any real issues that could be caused by it.

It's also kind of unfair to pin this on Elysium alone, Hardcores have selling teams, midcores have selling teams. This isn't limited to world progression raiders alone.

[Celef]

World second, please

Seriously though, this has been a thing for years now. I've sold content for gil going right back to Titan and yes, I've had people offer me money going as far back as SCOB (Which I refused fyi). Do I think it's a problem? I'll admit I'm not especially keen on pvp win trading but carries? It takes some clutching at straws to find any real issues that could be caused by it.

It's also kind of unfair to pin this on Elysium alone, Hardcores have selling teams, midcores have selling teams. This isn't limited to world progression raiders alone.

The real issue is not selling run for Gils, but selling runs for real money, wich is against the TOS

[KageTokage]

It's unfortunate that they don't seem to care about this at all (Though not that surprising considering how half-hearted their efforts at curbing the botting issues are).

It should be painfully obvious that RMT is involved when you can't trade gil cross-world, plus they're trying to get you discuss it somewhere outside of the game.

[KisaiTenshi]

It's unfortunate that they don't seem to care about this at all (Though not that surprising considering how half-hearted their efforts at curbing the botting issues are).

It should be painfully obvious that RMT is involved when you can't trade gil cross-world, plus they're trying to get you discuss it somewhere outside of the game.

Rule #1 with auction sites and dating sites, (because people like to avoid fees, also lets them get scammed) "Never communicate with someone outside the system, never send money to someone by (cash/stamps/western union/gift cards/etc)"

That's like the biggest red flag anyone with half a brain should notice. If you're directed to to do something outside the game, and they're not willing to communicate within the game, then it's a certainly a scam.

Not really. Breaking ToS is breaking it. Just because you are againts people selling content for gil, doesnt mean what you do with your bard instrument is ''legal'' in the game. Many people break the rules for playing copyrighted songs in the game. If you really want to be the guy who wants to talk about being flawless and not breaking any ToS, might as well bring that copyright music.


It is, because both are breaking the ToS. Just because you like doing it, doesnt mean you arent breaking the ToS. Its the same with mods. Many use them and it is againts the ToS. Just because you like it, doesnt you arent breaking the ToS. So yes it's exactly the same.

This is exactly right. All things under the ToS have equal weight. Internally SE may decide that people yelling F bombs in the middle of a crowded area in the game is somehow worse than 80 bots standing behind a wall of the GC building.

Admittedly, I really don't care what-so-ever about 'music cover' type of infringement, because nobody in their right mind would prefer to listen to a video game character playing a cover of a copyrighted song over buying the the song or listening to it on Spotify/Pandora/Apple Music. Like it requires a certain level PR pearl clutching to go after people playing these things in the game, yet they (JASRAC) do.

[swiss_Momo]

well, in these cases it's not just for Gil, but real money (like 80 USD for Byakko and 1200 USD for Ultimate Ultima) and usually involves giving them access to your account to clear it for you

[Sigma-Astra]

Considering that it's against the ToS to give your account credentials to anyone, the people buying these clears for real money are sabotaging themselves if the raiders decided to take the money and flee.

[KageTokage]

The fact that people could easily just decide to scam you out of your money is definitely another reason why they should be discouraging the practice.

This isn't like typical RMT where it's fully automated and difficult to keep under control, so there's really no excuse.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Considering that it's against the ToS to give your account credentials to anyone, the people buying these clears for real money are sabotaging themselves if the raiders decided to take the money and flee.

Very rarely does this happen. Sells are all about reputation and repeat customers. You only do yourself a disservice by stealing money since your name will get passed around and near universally black-listed. And considering most sell groups are apart of large FCs, the last thing they want is the reputation of associating with someone who steals since that will make potential buyers wary. Basically, it's not worth being an asshole.

There's no way only 1% of raiders do this. That's never how stuff like this works.

Look at parsers.

You do realize you're comparing a free tool which displays damage numbers and calls out mechanics with buying content clears for hundreds of dollars; over a thousand if it's Ultimate, yes? Making this comparison really does show you have very little idea of how the raid scene works. The amount of people willing to spend the money asked will always be staggeringly small. If sells were frequent, you wouldn't see groups slash their prices from $1,200 to less than $600 in a matter of weeks. In fact, as Penthea said, you wouldn't see $1,200 prices period. Once a market becomes saturated, its value sharply declines. Look no further than the in-game Market Board itself. All that crafted battle gear used to cost a fortune for several weeks since crafting it took absurdly high stats and dedication. Those prices have long since plummeted due to crafting being significantly easier in Stormblood.