To those who loved FF11...

[Brightamethyst]

Can we move away from topics in relation to this and wait until it's no longer a 5 year running mmo against what? Think someone said 20 for the other, with a mobile port coming out? Come back to this one when XIV has been moved on from or is legitimately at the end of its life. To do so otherwise seems unfair honestly, though I'm of the mindset that if something works you stick to it, and that doesn't seem to be the case of XI into XIV.

It's not really that unfair. When people talk about the old days of FFXI it's almost always in regards to the 2004-2010 level 75 era, which really does make it a relatively even comparison at this point. All those endgame events people keep talking about (Dyamis, Limbus, Gods/HNM, Assault, Salvage, Einhejar, etc) all happened, and ran side by side during that six year period.

[KaitoAsaha]

Also thank you, Maeka and others, for listing or bringing other aspects to light on XI. Long time lurker, first time poster. It's often seemed like whenever these things pop up its just a bash XIV event. So it's refreshing to read about such perspectives. The neutral ones are nice too.

[Skivvy]

Can we move away from topics in relation to this and wait until it's no longer a 5 year running mmo against what? Think someone said 20 for the other, with a mobile port coming out? Come back to this one when XIV has been moved on from or is legitimately at the end of its life. To do so otherwise seems unfair honestly, though I'm of the mindset that if something works you stick to it, and that doesn't seem to be the case of XI into XIV. It's had its time. So unless you're looking to keep the echo chamber going then by all means. But I'd like to see this pop back up once XIV has clocked in more years, if it lasts as long.

Also thank you, Maeka and others, for listing or bringing other aspects to light on XI. Long time lurker, first time poster. It's often seemed like whenever these things pop up its just a bash XIV event. So it's refreshing to read about such perspectives. The neutral ones are nice too.

It doesn't sound like you're really wanting a discussion, just a comfy spot in your "echo chamber" that enforces your opinion. You've thanked a person who has greatly exaggerated, and I mean greatly, many of the aspects of XI to try and show how horrible the game is.

There are plenty of threads on these forums that gush about XIV, maybe visit those if you're concerned about hearing negative comments about the game.

[KaitoAsaha]

I can respect the opinion held here but in all honesty it's just tiring seeing people be creatures of terrible habits. If we could all just compress this into the same topic, seeing it's the same thing but in a different flavor. Though yeah. A part of the lurking thing would be finding a comfy spot and watch these things go down. Also I can agree that the gushing for XIV could use some compressing too. But this one in particular I feel shouldn't go into any kind of serious discussion until we've gotten to the end of XIV. It could last as long as XI, it might not even come close but at least then there would be more to discussion there. Just seems like pitting a babe against an adult. Also the shill praising for XIV is also avoided on another board due to how one particular member goes on about praising if as if they're paid to do so. As for the thanking Maeda it was genuine due to how they represented the opposite side of this. Kept it interesting while reading. However you do you and carry on. o o/

[Hamada]

The thing is you could get 95% of the way there without touching the mega events. You claim the only worthwhile rewards are from the 18man fights, but FFXI had this wonderful accident of gear swapping. To actually become one of those 'strong' characters that could low man things, you didnt just need a ridil and an Ebody. You needed a fast cast set. A defensie set. An accuracy set. A haste set. A ws set. A WS high acc set, etc. You did not build all of these sets just from Jailer of love and kirin.

You brush off Salvage, yet it had staple pieces for virtually every job mage, melee and tank. I quite fondly remember the BIS Skadi legs for my thf TP and others in my WS sets. Most of it on my Rng. Most of the Ares set on my Drg. And as if being 'grindy' prevents it from being good. All of FFXI was 'grindy' making that a ridiculous point.

Nyzul also had staple pieces for some jobs. Heck you unlocked an entire wesponskill from this. Yeah that drakesbane was terrible right? That STP body that EVERY SINGLE sam, drg, war wore for years must have been bad. Comon now.

Sure Limbus super bosses had sexy homam gear for a handful of classes, but AF upgrades from the 6man zones were staple pieces for
everyone. Dynamis didnt need 60 people to farm gear drops for all jobs with many staple pieces there.

You need more than Byakko's haidate to be good. You need the gear from ALL of these places to be good. Missing a couple slots doesnt make trash and you built your char up from every event in the game, but you are narowly focused on a handful of alliance events and completely dismiss the value of everything else in the game.

One thing that FFXI does have over 14 is that if you really want to be the best you must have a holistic experience. You have to do everything in the game and that includes all the events you keep wanting to minimize and discredit as 'real' content.

Sheesh i didnt come into this thread to hold up XI as some awesome bestest game ever, but theres no need to try to trash it with unfounded BS. It was far more focused on group play than 14 will ever be, but don't paint it as some exclusive elite buyers club for only mega guilds with hundreds of players. That isnt what the game was. There were a handful (5-10) of these mega groups on each server. But there were hundreds of thousands of players. All those players were able to play, enjoy, make friends and kill monsters. Not just some fraction of players in the mega groups.

Couldn't said it better myself. Some people did crazy low man back in the day

The problem, though, was the simple fact that a lot of these systems were so similar in design, and they were still punishing and unrewarding, where you ran it week after week after week and got nothing 99.9% of the time.

Only if you had bad ls leaders or bringing too many people to Dynamis. Loot distribution in FFXI was fine as long as the linkshell was managed well. In ffxiv you are just wasting your time for no reason and easily screwed over by RNG. In ffxiv you are only given a week to get gear otherwise you are SoL. So in that sense ffxiv has way worse Loot distribution.

And of course all the convoluted macros that you had to make, where you'd need 8-10 pieces of gear swapped, do the thing, then swap the 8-10 pieces of gear back. It got so bad that they had to introduce FOUR mog wardrobes JUST for being able to hold and equip armor. That's THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY slots JUST for swap-in gear.

I'll take vertical progression over that retarded junk anyday.

Can you handle the truth? FFXIV had nothing new since sometime in 2.xx (I am not sure when the repeated reskinning started)
Let me give you the latest example of the top crafted/gather gear of 4.3, it is MADE EXACTLY the same way ironworks was (top HW gear) the only difference is one of the materials is from yellow scripts, Kingcraft Demimateria, I do not think you can desynth for them, but assuming you can't, that would be the only difference. FFXIV had nothing truly new outside failed diadems (all 3 versions) and deep dungeon (successful) At least ffxi actually released new content, not reskining content and calling it "new".

I would take investing time in something meaningful vs it getting outdated in 3 months.

So really, you have one that had a significant barrier of entry(IMO) that feels very rewarding versus the other that is incredibly accessible but ultimately shallow. Yet for some reason the middle-ground is largely untouched.

well said