Battle System Rant

[Canadane]

I don't hate Shirk, in fact more often than not I even forget that it's there in Role Action most of the time because most of the situations don't really call for tanks needing it which especially when you read what it does and and feels more like a DPS Role Action. And given that Provoke now has an AoE variant, which kinda feels pointless to have unless some DPS decided to go Leeroy Jenkins with their AoEs but that's more of a tank complaint really, and Provoke + Aggro combo was already a good way to tank swap so it was really unnecessary to give tanks Shirk and Ultimatum(Ultimatum is better than Shirk on tanks because it's an AoE Provoke)

Ultimatium isn't ranged and for bosses that you want to swap on it's usually only one target, not multiple.
I mean you're usually not going to be ranged either way, but if something goes away from you, you'll want it to hit the target and not just scream around you.

Shirk is fantastic for helping enmity. Even without tank swaps, an off tank can provoke and immediately shirk it off onto the main tank. Meaning less time in tank stance, less worry about an overzealous black mage or something.
For tank swaps it ensures you don't need to stop attacking when swapping off. It means you don't need to use an enmity combo when swapping in. It's all about the damage output.

Someone once said that Provoke is the off tank throwing up their hand for a high five. Shirk is you returning it. Don't leave your tank buddy hanging.

[Ekimmak]

Someone once said that Provoke is the off tank throwing up their hand for a high five. Shirk is you returning it. Don't leave your tank buddy hanging.

I remember that. I've yet to see the legendary Circle Shirk, where someone provokes, I shirk, then provoke, then they shirk (or vice versa).

I just wish I didn't have to keep swapping it off for dungeons.

[Canadane]

I remember that. I've yet to see the legendary Circle Shirk, where someone provokes, I shirk, then provoke, then they shirk (or vice versa).

That's the tank dream.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Someone once said that Provoke is the off tank throwing up their hand for a high five. Shirk is you returning it. Don't leave your tank buddy hanging.

I remember that. I've yet to see the legendary Circle Shirk, where someone provokes, I shirk, then provoke, then they shirk (or vice versa).

I just wish I didn't have to keep swapping it off for dungeons.

At that point you might as well have 5 DPS in your party because that is not tank swapping and is actually detrimental to learning AND clearing a fight with tank swaps with other mechanics that interfere with that strategy and doesn't really make use of BOTH tanks CDs.

[mosaicex]

At that point you might as well have 5 DPS in your party because that is not tank swapping and is actually detrimental to learning AND clearing a fight with tank swaps with other mechanics that interfere with that strategy and doesn't really make use of BOTH tanks CDs.

I don't even. Shirking does not eliminate the need for tank swapping in fights that actually require you to do so, it just makes the process smoother. I have no idea what you're trying to complain about.

[DRKoftheAzure]

I don't even. Shirking does not eliminate the need for tank swapping in fights that actually require you to do so, it just makes the process smoother. I have no idea what you're trying to complain about.

Shirk gives 25% of the user's enmity to someone(Mostly the person who is main tanking) sounds like it needs to be on Healer AND DPS role action list instead of tanks, and you certainly don't need 2 role actions dedicated to tank swapping since most fights don't even call for it especially before Stormblood where Shirk wasn't even conceived at that point. Then again I am a DRK main who is still salty about unnecessary nerfs the job shit when Stormblood launched and most role actions felt like a slap to the face if you noticed some of the animations from tank role action or recycled from DRK only actions with different looks.

[Kurando]

Shirk gives 25% of the user's enmity to someone(Mostly the person who is main tanking) sounds like it needs to be on Healer AND DPS role action list instead of tanks

Let's say this happened, what would you purpose to replace the two actions for NIN that deal with emnity (Shadewalker and Smokescreen)? I mean no one picks NIN just for those actions but it does give it some unique standing amongst the other jobs, having Shirk as cross role for DPS kinda removes that niche for them.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Let's say this happened, what would you purpose to replace the two actions for NIN that deal with emnity (Shadewalker and Smokescreen)? I mean no one picks NIN just for those actions but it does give it some unique standing amongst the other jobs, having Shirk as cross role for DPS kinda removes that niche for them.

Leave those abilities alone and give Shirk to SAM? The recent "buff" to Merciful Eyes isn't going to be noticeable due to it be gated by an Third Eye proc. Alternatively; Give Shirk to NIN so that NIN has Shadewalker, Smokescreen, and Shirk.