THM vs Tank FIGHT!!

[Griss]

Overzelous thm's yank hate. Decent to good thms know how to ride the hate line.

[MystinaValeth]

I haven’t read much of this thread yet, I just wanted to say my firsthand experience on this topic

The group I’m with has a very competent tank, and even with archers and thaumaturges doing massive damage, can still hold hate the whole time. So when we’re in a pickup group and the tank can’t hold hate from an archer or thaumaturge 50% of the fight and the DDs have to wait for the tank to gain hate for several minutes,... it doesn’t make that archer or thm badass, it makes that tank incompetent.

[Rydin]

I haven’t read much of this thread yet, I just wanted to say my firsthand experience on this topic

The group I’m with has a very competent tank, and even with archers and thaumaturges doing massive damage, can still hold hate the whole time. So when we’re in a pickup group and the tank can’t hold hate from an archer or thaumaturge 50% of the fight and the DDs have to wait for the tank to gain hate for several minutes,... it doesn’t make that archer or thm badass, it makes that tank incompetent.

Any thaum can pull hate off of ANY glad on Ifrit if they choose to... that is the point

[darkstarpoet1]

I haven’t read much of this thread yet, I just wanted to say my firsthand experience on this topic

The group I’m with has a very competent tank, and even with archers and thaumaturges doing massive damage, can still hold hate the whole time. So when we’re in a pickup group and the tank can’t hold hate from an archer or thaumaturge 50% of the fight and the DDs have to wait for the tank to gain hate for several minutes,... it doesn’t make that archer or thm badass, it makes that tank incompetent.

i can assure you a thm can pull hate off ANY gla no matter how competent that gla is. it's part of managing your own hate that keeps people from pulling hate off them.

[MystinaValeth]

Well yes they manage their hate by using Chameleon & Shroud of Saints, but with those being used as often as they can, the thms can't pull hate.

[darkstarpoet1]

Well yes they manage their hate by using Chameleon & Shroud of Saints, but with those being used as often as they can, the thms can't pull hate.

i hate to tell you, but you have 2 things wrong.

1. a thm cannot use shroud of saints since it's a con only ability.
2. even using hate reducing skills it is still very VERY easy to pull hate unless you take your time and limit your skills.

if a thm goes all out there is no tank in the game that can keep hate. if they are nuking non stop and doesn't do their job correctly no matter the skill level of the tank they cannot keep hate because the thm will take it.

[RemVye]

Versus

I choose #2... although #1 looks like a good choice too. Hmmm decisions decisions.

[indira]

thm taking hate = NOOB thm

[Asterius]

From the same fight.
GLA POV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8GQvyIx1pc
THM POV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV-gd...watch_response

GLA keeps hate, THMs take part in helping the GLA keep hate. It's a team fight. (Notice the Rampart and Sacred Prism+Cures on the THM).
A GLA will not lose hate if they are using all hate generating abilities, meaning a THM cannot pull hate even if they go all out right at the start.

There's no harm for the GLAs to throw cures to the THMs or CNJs, there's also no harm if the THMs stand closer to Ifrit so GLA can cure them. It's a team fight, help each other do their role and the fight will be fine.

[Leo_Hart]

From the same fight.
GLA POV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8GQvyIx1pc
THM POV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV-gd...watch_response

GLA keeps hate, THMs take part in helping the GLA keep hate. It's a team fight. (Notice the Rampart and Sacred Prism+Cures on the THM).
A GLA will not lose hate if they are using all hate generating abilities, meaning a THM cannot pull hate even if they go all out right at the start.

There's no harm for the GLAs to throw cures to the THMs or CNJs, there's also no harm if the THMs stand closer to Ifrit so GLA can cure them. It's a team fight, help each other do their role and the fight will be fine.

i even use resonance