THM vs Tank FIGHT!!

[TheAnswer]

I bet thaums "NUKE! NUKE! NUKE!!! HAHA!!!! TAKE THAT TANK I TOOK THE MOB FROM YOU" because they want to see what you type in party chat. Yo english skilz are wack yo. Check it son.

[fusional]

What they should not be doing is trying to out dps someone else...

lollllllllllllll

Overzelous thm's yank hate. Decent to good thms know how to ride the hate line.

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anyway, the person who suggested MRD tanking early in the thread is pretty spot on. GLD relies too much on static hate from ability use. damage is a large factor in enmity in this game, since 1 dmg = 1 enmity, and MRD just hits a lot harder on ifrit. considering flat blade in a combo does like 2x enmity of damage dealt, and flat blade is only hitting ifrit for like 20 dmg... yeah. not amazing.

gld is better for moogle, though, since it can mitigate more damage and actually do reasonable damage to the moogles at the same time.

anyway, if anyone hasn't seen this yet they should probably check it out. understanding enmity is definitely a group effort.

but you can't just blame it all on one class. everyone has to be better at managing it. tanks need to generate more so dps can go harder, dps need to go as hard as possible without crossing hate threshold, blah blah.

[Rydin]

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anyway, the person who suggested MRD tanking early in the thread is pretty spot on. GLD relies too much on static hate from ability use. damage is a large factor in enmity in this game, since 1 dmg = 1 enmity, and MRD just hits a lot harder on ifrit. considering flat blade in a combo does like 2x enmity of damage dealt, and flat blade is only hitting ifrit for like 20 dmg... yeah. not amazing.

gld is better for moogle, though, since it can mitigate more damage and actually do reasonable damage to the moogles at the same time.

anyway, if anyone hasn't seen this yet they should probably check it out. understanding enmity is definitely a group effort.

but you can't just blame it all on one class. everyone has to be better at managing it. tanks need to generate more so dps can go harder, dps need to go as hard as possible without crossing hate threshold, blah blah.

Not true... the higher the defense on a MOB... the better Glad is as a tank.....
Because Damage goes up or down depending on the MOB but the hate generated from abilities is consistent.
Honestly... the difference between damage from a Glad and damage from a MRD on Ifrit has been reduced considerably
MRD use to outdamage glad by light years... now.. not so much

[fusional]

Not true... the higher the defense on a MOB... the better Glad is as a tank.....
Because Damage goes up or down depending on the MOB but the hate generated from abilities is consistent.
Honestly... the difference between damage from a Glad and damage from a MRD on Ifrit has been reduced considerably
MRD use to outdamage glad by light years... now.. not so much

i feel like we're not even playing the same game.

MRD WSs are hitting for 100ish or more each. GLDs are doing like 15-20. the aggro generated from abilities is static. enmity is not reduced from taking damage. GLD block is useless after a point and they don't really have anything more than MRDs to mitigate magic damage.

so they have generally the same *abilities* for generating enmity, but MRD is outdamaging GLD by a significant multiplier.

considering GLD block abilities are pretty useless for this fight, there's no real point in bringing them over a mrd. you're generating a lot less top-end enmity so you can take maybe 4k less damage over the course of a 10+ min fight... and 10+mins is awful. if you're doing it in 5mins, it's quite a bit less than 4k damage. and either way your cnj (or cnjs? lol) should easily be able to handle it.

i've grouped with maybe one amazing GLD that was able to do 13+ dps on ifrit, but generally most GLDs are only going to be doing 7-9ish. MRD can very easily push 15+ dps, and should be capable of 20 if they're in an all-THM group (thereby not really needing to worry about MPKing lancers by turning ifrit around)

yes GLD works, and it works fine- but that's not the point. the point is you'll have less enmity issues (on ifrit) with a good MRD tank.

[YuriSan]

Not true... the higher the defense on a MOB... the better Glad is as a tank.....
Because Damage goes up or down depending on the MOB but the hate generated from abilities is consistent.
Honestly... the difference between damage from a Glad and damage from a MRD on Ifrit has been reduced considerably
MRD use to outdamage glad by light years... now.. not so much

Indeed. Rage of halone combo and Gorging blade combo are pretty good damage!
MRD isn't all that much overpowered, also Shield is great or well it used to be way better but meh. still offers another slot to put materia on +34 DEF on mine, that's not bad at all.
Anyway i am happy i can tank on my GLA again.
That short period I "HAD" to tank on MRD made me a really sad panda.
I will probably try tanking on MRD again now that i made me a +1 Bardiche, till i get my Ifrit axe anyway.

[Leo_Hart]

well, the problem is the enmity bar is there, so no excuse to steal hate yeah disagree if any dps steal hate 'accidently'. Another Question is the gla enough ability to build hate?

[AmyNeudaiz]

Eh, I hate Thm's in Ifrit sometimes. But if they ever steal hate and brag about it, I go on my Mrd and put out bigger numbers than them on parse. They usually shut up after that. :>

[Estellios]

It's kind of annoying when THMs go full blast right out of the gate then act all surprised when they pull hate before the tank has managed to get even 1 WS off...

It especially sucks because it's annoying to get Ifrit back in to position especially if he refuses to jump. Please THMs everywhere... if you wait for even as little as 30 seconds before nuking it makes a big difference. It won't kill you (er... I guess that's literal too).

[jwang]

First thing I think when I read the OP was "English grammar: please check it". Second thing I think is "Another 'lack of enmity control thread', ho-hum". Final thing I think is "text language and smiley faces don't make you less hostile, just make you look stupid".

There's a little phrase that has been going around on MMOs for a while: "When the tank dies, it's the healer's fault; if the healer dies, it's the tank fault; if the DPS dies, it's their own fault". So if you're THM and you're pulling hate and wind up dead, guess who's fault it is? That's right.

[YuriSan]

"text language and smiley faces don't make you less hostile, just make you look stupid".

Man they been getting people fooled forever tho!!!!

"I will help when i can"

There everyone is fooled!!!!!!