How dangerous would it be...

[Rubytoe]

If Dark knight and Black mage could regain MP from Refresh, Ewer cards and Mana Shift?

[Brightshadow]

Black Mage already can I think this just applies to Dark Knights

[Kabooa]

You'd get around one extra F4 as a Black Mage so it' snot a big deal. You'd have to adjust your F1 timing to fit it comfortably.

For dark Knight, benefiting from Refresh would be good when Blood Weapon isn't running. An extra 2 Dark Arts every 3 minutes isn't game breaking.

[Rubytoe]

You'd get around one extra F4 as a Black Mage so it' snot a big deal. You'd have to adjust your F1 timing to fit it comfortably.

For dark Knight, benefiting from Refresh would be good when Blood Weapon isn't running. An extra 2 Dark Arts every 3 minutes isn't game breaking.

I agree. I do not know why Square Enix doesn't want this happening... It would add more synergy with other classes. Brd and Mch increasing DRK's dps? All for it.

[whiskeybravo]

It'd probably be barely noticeable. Seems like it could've been a carry over from their HW intentions? Like, DRK used to be about not bottoming out, now it's about not overcapping.

IDK though. I always feel bad for the DRK when I run dungeons on MCH and Refresh/Tact on large pulls. "Here's MP for everyone.. Except you. Filthy DRK"

[Kabooa]

It'd probably be barely noticeable. Seems like it could've been a carry over from their HW intentions? Like, DRK used to be about not bottoming out, now it's about not overcapping.

IDK though. I always feel bad for the DRK when I run dungeons on MCH and Refresh/Tact on large pulls. "Here's MP for everyone.. Except you. Filthy DRK"

Personally, given the aesthetic, I always thought of it as Dark Knight not relying on other people. It's the the solo vigilante class. It's ability to protect is narrow, its focus in Heavensward was on disabling / debuffing an enemy rather than protecting the party directly, and it just didn't play nice with anyone.

[Cabalabob]

I think it’s more a lore thing than a balance thing for DRK. You’re not actually using magic, you’re using darkness. So moves like refresh and mana shift that replenish magic won’t help a DRK.

[shao32]

Personally, given the aesthetic, I always thought of it as Dark Knight not relying on other people. It's the the solo vigilante class. It's ability to protect is narrow, its focus in Heavensward was on disabling / debuffing an enemy rather than protecting the party directly, and it just didn't play nice with anyone.

i belive in that too until i met living dead.

[Ekimmak]

About the only reason I can see for darkside neutralizing refresh now is that we have very clean-cut MP numbers. All our spells cost nice, round numbers, all our restoration is nice, round numbers, and our max MP is a nice, round number of 9480. Throwing in a refresh (or turning off darkside) messes that number up.

I'd still rather have the refresh, to be honest.

[Kurando]

Black Mage already can I think this just applies to Dark Knights

BLM can't accept MP from Mana Shift (or Refresh, Ewer) if Astral Fire is active.