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[Bourne_Endeavor]

Or you know, they could just ban players who use these tools in the first place.

And in doing so destroy their entire raid scene.

Regardless, ACT and Cactbot are not the same program nor do they utilize the same data. Hence why most overlay add ons aren't comparable with Cactbot. The game sending packets doesn't mean both programs follow a similar module. All that aside, the devs themselves have not only acknowledged the futility in blocking ACT, they have outright admitted it's valuable for raiders all while watching the World First racers who have it prominently displayed on their twitch and/or youtube clips. 5150 was mentioned by name from the dev team. They had ACT running.

No matter how much you argue, parsers are not cheating. Cactbot, on the other hand, does step on a very fine line. Which is what actually prompted Yoshida to comment. They may attempt to break the latter, but they aren't going to touch ACT. Why? Because it and FFlogs are they only reason Savage stays alive months after its relevancy has long faded. Without numbers, you have no speed kills or players having means of calculating their improvement. Therefore, they have little reason to bother with the tier save to obtain gear for Ultimate. And that assumes they don't simply play another game.

[Calladan]

That is still ACT...

Thank you for never letting me down!

Days since Kisai hijacked a thread to complain about parsers: 0.

[KisaiTenshi]

Thank you for never letting me down!

Days since Kisai hijacked a thread to complain about parsers: 0.

You'll note that I don't mention these things until someone brings up something they could only have known by using a parser. Bourne named the parser plugin first, and in this case it was Yoshi-P who brought it up at all. It is still my view that the parsers suck the fun out of the game, and this thread is a perfect example of why.

You want hard content? Then why are you using a cheat tool to win it? That should not count as a clear, and when these same people complain about there not being another "Ultimate" for the 4.x patch cycle, perhaps they should ask themselves why should the developers bother to spend months developing a fight only for a couple of people to spoil it for everyone two days after it's released. Wouldn't it suck for Yoshi-P to go "Well due to the amount of users who cheat using parsers, we're no longer going to invest any resources in high end fights. Enjoy your casual theme park." That would be the ultimate punishment for using parsers, is for everyone to be punished because of a few people who can't even be polite and pretend that parsers don't exist.

The developers will never be able to make the "hard content" you guys want if you keep using the cheat tools to solve it. Yoshi-P's only real solution to this is to make DPS numbers meaningless, randomizing and fake-out mechanics, or even recognizing players who are cheating and give them loaded dice so that they can not use their cheat tools to win it. In a sense, you're asking for Yoshi-P to make a fight that can not be cheated by any means, and that is probably something that will never exist.

*business hat on*

If I was SE's legal department, I'd ask why Yoshi-P has not banned people who blatantly using parsers, and the response would be "that costs money". Ok, so what about streamers who blatantly use parsers? I'm sure they are reported by the vengeful trolls all the time. "that costs money too". There is a specific level of abuse that has to be crossed where "that costs money to do" becomes a better option to "we're losing subs because nobody wants to play with cheaters"

Does FFXIV deserve a reputation of being full of cheaters? No. But people who keep mentioning parsers, ACT, fflogs, etc on the official forums without being being warned or having those posts ninja-edited gives the impression that SE does not care about the integrity of the game. I'm actually surprised Square-Enix hasn't put any pressure on the Reddit for the same.

[RLofOBFL]

It's not about who cleared ultimate, it's about slamming your face into it and trying to clear it. It's content for a lot of people. I have 10-15ish people I know going at it currently, only one is actually at enrage, and that one is the only one to clear the previous ultimate. That's also the only reason he still plays in this catch up patch.

Anyway if they stop making ult it's fine to me but the issue I have is ...if they're stopping it for the expac, what will 4.5 have to replace that content? My bet is nothing.

[Jennika]

Anyway if they stop making ult it's fine to me but the issue I have is ...if they're stopping it for the expac, what will 4.5 have to replace that content? My bet is nothing.

If they're just going to make more [tomestone-farming] dungeons then don't bother. Don't get me wrong, they make good dungeons, but after the first couple runs through it just turns into work. I'm so bored of of the tomestone system, myself anyway.

[Asiragan]

I really wonder how their development schedule works for them to say they will stop adding ultimate mid-expansion. I would have though that the planning was made ahead of time, maybe at the very start of the expansion, but it looks like they are adapting things on the fly which is really worrisome to me.

I don't really care for ultimate but they've been cutting down content like that since HW, and we didn't really get anything in return for it. If they are cutting Ultimate now, can we really expect something in return in the future?

[Remedi]

Disagree vehementhly with this decision.
Ultimate is what essentially made the current pve scene workable for everyone, removing one piece of the puzzle kills everything imho. While it's true as some have said that they can simply focus more on the coming expansion, I still believe that it would be a much needed life injection to the final patch of the expansion, which frankly won't have much to do for itself.
As such I hope they reconsider this

[Remedi]

Ye about that too, I get annoyed how quickly that 21 hours raid prog got around, I was watching mrhappy stream when zeppe said that he said he wanted the group to raid 21 h the last day and they had pretty much tame raiding hours otherwise.
It's really distrubing me how some rumors gets tossed around so easily without anyone sourcing them

[Alleo]

Ye about that too, I get annoyed how quickly that 21 hours raid prog got around, I was watching mrhappy stream when zeppe said that he said he wanted the group to raid 21 h the last day and they had pretty much tame raiding hours otherwise.
It's really distrubing me how some rumors gets tossed around so easily without anyone sourcing them

And that the devs seemingly also just heard those rumors instead of the actual truth. Maybe thats how the "greed only" change happened too.

[AxlStream]

This is just SE caving in to the casuals that complain about Ultimate being a waste of ressources while not even denting current EX/Savage fights. A shame really.