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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    I mean, if smn gets to have a raise for almost zero dps cost on single target, and actually zero dps loss for anything involving adds or a second target, blm shouldn't lose any dps for mild utility.
    Raise on SMN has been broken for a while and frankly raise should not exist on casters especially since there's the double standards of RDM beign gutted for it while SMN aren't

    @Reinhardt_Azureheim while blm beign the best mana shift user candidate is true from a quick glance the reality is that you can't use it unless your are in ice phase and it also is a dps loss because of clipping, meanwhile SMN has none of this issue.
    And then you remember that refresh has no weaknesses, gives more MP and is aoe
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    Last edited by Remedi; 07-05-2018 at 09:55 PM.

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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    @Reinhardt_Azureheim while blm beign the best mana shift user candidate is true from a quick glance the reality is that you can't use it unless your are in ice phase and it also is a dps loss because of clipping, meanwhile SMN has none of this issue. And then you remember that refresh has no weaknesses, gives more MP and is aoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    Then go blm perspective: ONLY can shift in UI, and if it was clipped, the animation lock essentially costed you 125 potency. If you shift in AF, it costed you 125+260 potency for the f4 you threw away. The only way for a blm to shift without loss is to get a t3p available in UI. Hell, manashift is actually part of smn opener for extending foe from the bard.
    Does "only manashift while under UI" and generally using anything ogcd after instantcast(proc)s no longer go without saying? I mean come on, I thought it was common knowledge by now that it wouldn't need to be cherrypicked on a post.
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    Jack Cinder
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post

    Keeping in mind that BLM is the best target for using manashift (for one having the most MP out of all casters and basically refreshing MP freely under UI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Does "only manashift while under UI" and generally using anything ogcd after instantcast(proc)s no longer go without saying? I mean come on, I thought it was common knowledge by now that it wouldn't need to be cherrypicked on a post.
    so the best suited job for mana shift is the one who can only do it at a minimal loss (still astronomically larger than smn) during a 2 gcd window every 30 seconds, or zero loss if by a chance you get a proc to occur in that 2 gcd window of that said 30 seconds? It does go without saying you only shift under UI, and try to use ogcd's during instant casts. Its those reasons why blm is horribly suited for mana shift in comparison to a job that essentially has zero mana problems and can shift for no dps loss at any point in their rotation.
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