Tank Stance

[addz3]

I think some of you are misinterpreting the point I was trying to make. Or maybe it was my crap explanation. Tanks who refuse to use their enmity tools or stances to control enmity are crap. There's no need to do it. There's no need to lose enmity. Yes... we all know that other jobs have 1 or 2 abilities to help with enmity, and use them they should. However tanks have more because it's their role to control enmity. I fail to see how many of you can't understand basic fundamentals of a 3 job battle system. If a tank wants to go nuts on dps go for it, but not at the sacrifice of enmity because then they become useless. I suggested they nerf stances in PARTICULAR situations so you don't have chaos in situations because a tank would rather dps than control enmity.

On another topic the intent for stances could be better defined. However when they have penalties of swapping between stances such as high mp usage for DRK or just simply a long cool down. Why would these exist if it was intended for tanks to swap continuously. It is my belief like others have suggested that it was designed so you have a stance in content and a stance for soloing. It isn't that way but that's a design aspect which could get changed down the line maybe. The min max dps for tanks has always been an "issue" and will probably remain

[MoroMurasaki]

I think some of you are misinterpreting the point I was trying to make. Or maybe it was my crap explanation. Tanks who refuse to use their enmity tools or stances to control enmity are crap. There's no need to do it. There's no need to lose enmity. Yes... we all know that other jobs have 1 or 2 abilities to help with enmity, and use them they should. However tanks have more because it's their role to control enmity. I fail to see how many of you can't understand basic fundamentals of a 3 job battle system. If a tank wants to go nuts on dps go for it, but not at the sacrifice of enmity because then they become useless. I suggested they nerf stances in PARTICULAR situations so you don't have chaos in situations because a tank would rather dps than control enmity.

People have reacted poorly to your suggestion because it's unnecessary and, frankly, nonsensical. Jobs aren't balanced around content where this is even an issue because any healer or dps in Savage worth their spot uses all the enmity tools at their disposal to make their tank's life easier since it costs them nothing or next to nothing.

You got someone in more casual content who either expected too much competence from their party (anticipated you all using enmity reduction skills and you didn't) or just didn't know how to play their class. Neither of those things mean the natural conclusion to jump to is "Nerf tank DPS stances!!!1" they just mean watch your enmity better and sometimes people suck.

Basically like... move on?

If you have some trigger happy DPS, it's better for enmity to use some AoE enmity skills at the beginning even on a single target, since the first step of the enmity combo has no bonus.

So, again, if you take aggro from your tank, it means he does something wrong.

No, you should not be doing this. Even in Sastasha you have Tomohawk or the PLD/DRK equivalent - that is what you are pulling with, not Overpower/Flash/DRK Aoething. It is literally not a thing. Stop misinforming people please.

[Reynhart]

No, you should not be doing this. Even in Sastasha you have Tomohawk or the PLD/DRK equivalent - that is what you are pulling with, not Overpower/Flash/DRK Aoething. It is literally not a thing. Stop misinforming people please.

I'm not talking about pulling, I'm talking about keeping monsters on you when you risk losing hate.
980 potency enmity for Tomawhak vs 1300 potency enmity for Overpower, for the same TP cost. So, yes, IF enmity is your problem, you SHOULD be doing this.

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm not talking about pulling, I'm talking about keeping monsters on you when you risk losing hate.
980 potency enmity for Tomawhak vs 1300 potency enmity for Overpower, for the same TP cost. So, yes, IF enmity is your problem, you SHOULD be doing this.

If you're pulling use our ranged enmity generator.

If you're losing hate do your enmity combo.

This isn't rocket science.

[Jijifli]

If you're pulling use our ranged enmity generator.

If you're losing hate do your enmity combo.

This isn't rocket science.

He means that, if you have trigger happy dps that don't diversion, you do something like... Tomahawk, then an Overpower.

Because the first hit of your enmity combo has no enmity boost to it. If you know you don't need to overpower in that case and can just go right to enmity combo, then do that, that's better. If you have the scenario where the RDM is pre-casting a verthunder with no diversion right for the pull though, that helps.

[MoroMurasaki]

He means that, if you have trigger happy dps that don't diversion, you do something like... Tomahawk, then an Overpower.

Because the first hit of your enmity combo has no enmity boost to it. If you know you don't need to overpower in that case and can just go right to enmity combo, then do that, that's better. If you have the scenario where the RDM is pre-casting a verthunder with no diversion right for the pull though, that helps.

I suppose this is where my mean streak comes out - I'd let that RDM eat an auto attack or two

Edit: and still Overpower or whatever wouldn't be necessary. There isn't a fight where you're going to have a RDM being that lax about enmity where the boss is opening with some crazy tankbuster. If someone wants to walk into Demon Chad and open without Diversion.... they deserve that death imo.

Because, for what feels like the 11th time, enmity is everyone's responsibility.

[Reynhart]

Edit: and still Overpower or whatever wouldn't be necessary. There isn't a fight where you're going to have a RDM being that lax about enmity where the boss is opening with some crazy tankbuster. If someone wants to walk into Demon Chad and open without Diversion.... they deserve that death imo.

But then, they whine endlessly during the content that you don't do your job as a tank. So, for my own sanity, I'd rather make up for their mistake.

[Reynhart]

If you're losing hate do your enmity combo.
This isn't rocket science.

As stated earlier, the first hit of your enmity combo doesn't have enmity bonuses, so using one or two Overpowers is safer for additionnal initial enmity.

Stop nitpicking when you can't think outside of the box...

[addz3]

I don't want to be rude but maybe check your spelling and grammar before telling someone that they can't read.

Nice retort, having heard this one in ages.... /sarcasm

cohearent*

epic fail. Don't you just hate misspelling. Thanks for setting this one up

[MoroMurasaki]

Nice retort, having heard this one in ages.... /sarcasm
epic fail. Don't you just hate misspelling. Thanks for setting this one up

Do you plan to respond to the plethora of other ways I pointed out your stupidity or literally just nitpick one misspelled word?

Oh wait that could add value and substance and clearly you're devoid of both of those.

My bad, carry on.