Tank Stance

[Ameela]

They don't, really. They modify their abilities mostly; DRK has slightly better MP refresh, war loses heals and shields and gets a very slight tp bonus. But the reason they do is that someone has to be the off tank usually in 8 man content, and they needed a way to make all classes are viable. I mean lol war didn't even HAVE a dps stance till HW launch. PLD had nothing unique to sword until stormblood.

How does a skill like Decimate help your job as the off tank at all? Also back in HW DRK was simply way better outside of Grit because it could use both Blood Price AND Blood Weapon, it was clearly designed with stance dancing in mind otherwise they wouldn't have locked one of those abilities to DPS stance only, and before you say it's to make up for the fact that you couldn't use Blood Price if you were the off tank, why would they not lock it out while you're outside of Grit? Wouldn't that discourage people from tanking outside of Grit thus accomplishing what they "intended" according to you?

Also I'm pretty sure if 2.0 Warrior had been competently designed at all it would have originally had a DPS stance, people seem to forget that level 50 Warrior was an absolute mess at launch and they literally had to rework the entire class to be more like Paladin to make it playable.
Also Paladin didn't even have Shield Oath until level 40, from 30-40 you were forced to use Sword Oath, how does that reflect their desire for tanks to use tank stance as much as possible?
In fact if tanks are always meant to use tank stance in group content, why would it not be unlocked right away at level 15 alongside other crucial skills like Shield Lob/Tomahawk and Flash/Overpower?

[shao32]

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you are a bit outdated, shield oath is on level 30 now.

on the SE intentions they show more that one time they desing every fight with MT on tank stance all the time apart of nerfing tank dps on heavensward a few times bcs it was becoming a problem as they catch bards and mch and remember they put heavy penalitations on tank swaping on stormblood locking blood price on grit but improving the usability of many skills on the stance and halving WAR and PLD gauges on swaps with cleary intentions slow down the agresive tanking but the aproach have a negative effect on the playerbase mostly on WARs used for being OP 2 years.

[Ameela]

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Yeah but if SE intended for tanks to use nothing but tank stance, why would Shield Oath not be at 30, or even 15 like I mentioned? Why even have Sword Oath before 50 if there's no content requiring 2 tanks before that point?

And SB release was just a mess for many classes, I think it's safe to say the devs did a lot of experimenting that didn't pan out quite like how they envisioned it.

[shao32]

Yeah but if SE intended for tanks to use nothing but tank stance, why would Shield Oath not be at 30, or even 15 like I mentioned? Why even have Sword Oath before 50 if there's no content requiring 2 tanks before that point?

And SB release was just a mess for many classes, I think it's safe to say the devs did a lot of experimenting that didn't pan out quite like how they envisioned it.

Bcs every job before lvl 30 dont have enough skills to be a threat, level 30-40 is where many dps start to get tools to rise they dps more that tanks and healers.

[MoroMurasaki]

Bcs every job before lvl 30 dont have enough skills to be a threat, level 30-40 is where many dps start to get tools to rise they dps more that tanks and healers.

Anecdotal.

Virtually every time I get a lower level instance if I do leveling roulette on RDM for tomes I wind up yanking off the tank, but please tell me about how every job under 30 can't do that.

Your oversimplification here does nothing to answer Ameela's question.

[Reynhart]

Virtually every time I get a lower level instance if I do leveling roulette on RDM for tomes I wind up yanking off the tank, but please tell me about how every job under 30 can't do that.

It just means your tank doesn't use enough Flash/Overpower/Unleash...which is understandable from the tank PoV because it's boring...or you purposefuly attack a different target than him.

Also for Ameela...Shield Oath is at 30. And stances are not at 15 because they are designed as Job skills.

[HyoMinPark]

Also for Ameela...Shield Oath is at 30. And stances are not at 15 because they are designed as Job skills.

Could be wrong, but I think they were talking about how pre-Stormblood, Sword Oath was at 30 and Shield wasn’t until level 40. It’s not the case now, obviously, but I think they were talking about “back in the day”.

[Kayiko]

It just means your tank doesn't use enough Flash/Overpower/Unleash...which is understandable from the tank PoV because it's boring...or you purposefuly attack a different target than him.

Also for Ameela...Shield Oath is at 30. And stances are not at 15 because they are designed as Job skills.

Not really. From levels 20 to 30 it is really easy to lose agro. It is an odd area of leveling/sycn where the amount of damage, on two equally geared players, can take agro from a tank easily. Once a tank typically has their stances at 30 it fixes this problem.

[MoroMurasaki]

It just means your tank doesn't use enough Flash/Overpower/Unleash...which is understandable from the tank PoV because it's boring...or you purposefuly attack a different target than him.

Also for Ameela...Shield Oath is at 30. And stances are not at 15 because they are designed as Job skills.

Maybe read the post I was responding to - they specifically said that tanks don't have tank stance before 30 because no one would rip off of them even without tank stance on. I corrected them because even as someone who is fairly on top of their enmity I routinely do pull off of those tanks even without a wealth of abilities to bolster my dps. RDM's have a 300 potency attack every other hit. What I was responding to was blatantly wrong, just like you're wrong if you're suggesting tanks use their AoE threat generatos in a single-target situation.

For me at least, theres no shame in hopping back into tank stance so I can gain an enmity lead back if my party members are climbing up the enmity list. When I gain that lead back though, I do go back into my dps stance.

Perfectly reasonable.

[shao32]

Anecdotal.

Virtually every time I get a lower level instance if I do leveling roulette on RDM for tomes I wind up yanking off the tank, but please tell me about how every job under 30 can't do that.

Your oversimplification here does nothing to answer Ameela's question.

Before level 30 every tank have half emity combo, a skill to Buff they damage (berserk,ect) an aoe And a ranged pull tool, they are only 2 reasons why a tank can loose agro there, 1 its dont use they skills proerly and y see a lot like spaming the agro skill only without following the combo or never using they buffs, And the other one is gear, gear are more important in lowerleves specially high gear sinc is a bit more better, tank stances are unnecesary there, you dont have anything more that agro skills, you just need to read the skill description