Tank Stance

[addz3]

This has probably been said a 1000 times but I'm going to say it again. I've just finished doma castle on the leveling roulette and have experienced some of the worst tanking in recent memory. The WAR would not use defiance for the last boss, and when I commented on that fact he says dps should use diversion!? Wtf. When both dps and healer are the top 3 enmity list maybe use the godamn tank stance. This is why you are here...

I find that more than not, warriors are the worst tanks for actual tanking in their tank stance. Is there some trait in the warrior tool bag that makes the player an arrogant douche that I wasn't aware of?

I would like to ask SE to take out the dps stance for group play. NERF the shit out of it so it's mainly for solo play like cleric stance back in the day. Before they increased enmity for tank moves this would of been more welcome but at least tanks would be.... err....tanks. Or just make WAR a dps.

Bring on the onslaught of pro dps for tanks, idc. Tanks should tank and not be worrying about dps. Save the rhetoric of dps = enmity and dps should manage enmity and all that. We've heard it all before.

[Nockvryca]

No, I would say the warrior was doing a good job. Get initial threat. It's a party responsibility for aggro. All dps and healers have tools that they should be using to manipulate their aggro. That is how you play tank in this game, you get aggro, then you dps.

[akaneakki]

No, I would say the warrior was doing a good job. Get initial threat. It's a party responsibility for aggro. All dps and healers have tools that they should be using to manipulate their aggro. That is how you play tank in this game, you get aggro, then you dps.

Great reply. I mean those skills aka diversion, lucid etc are there for a reason as well. But I guess some people forget they have a purpose.

[BillyKaplan]

But I guess some people forget they have a purpose.

Or just that they exist. I just ran into a sprout healer who had no idea what role actions even were. This game assumes a great many things about what its playerbase knows, and fails rather miserably in explaining them to begin with.
Tank stance, on the other hand, is inescapable. Assuming, of course, comparable ilvls across the roles. There's little an undergeared tank can do against an overgeared dps save to provoke off of them. Which is also sadly a role action.

[akaneakki]

Or just that they exist. I just ran into a sprout healer who had no idea what role actions even were. This game assumes a great many things about what its playerbase knows, and fails rather miserably in explaining them to begin with.
Tank stance, on the other hand, is inescapable. Assuming, of course, comparable ilvls across the roles. There's little an undergeared tank can do against an overgeared dps save to provoke off of them. Which is also sadly a role action.

That too, there is some serious lack of reading tooltips in this game too.

That too, there is some serious lack of reading tooltips in this game too.

and when I commented on that fact he says dps should use diversion!? Wtf. When both dps and healer are the top 3 enmity list maybe use the godamn tank stance.

which is why they suck.

I dont quite follow here, please explain.

[addz3]

Great reply. I mean those skills aka diversion, lucid etc are there for a reason as well. But I guess some people forget they have a purpose.

I'm afraid it wasn't a great reply because the poster hadn't read what I said. Their point is based on the war getting initial threat, which they didn't, which is why they suck.

[Ayer2015]

No, I would say the warrior was doing a good job. Get initial threat. It's a party responsibility for aggro. All dps and healers have tools that they should be using to manipulate their aggro. That is how you play tank in this game, you get aggro, then you dps.

I strongly disagree. A tank is more than capable to building enough aggro without the dps pulling off them being in tank stance for the first few rotations only.

[SinisterJoints]

No, I would say the warrior was doing a good job. Get initial threat. It's a party responsibility for aggro. All dps and healers have tools that they should be using to manipulate their aggro. That is how you play tank in this game, you get aggro, then you dps.

It's everyones responsibility to manage their hate. Including the warrior. The tanks job does not suddenly stop after initial threat. If they are getting hate ripped then they need to adjust as well. This is, obviously, if the dps are using diversion and healers using lucid and still pulling hate.

I run into this crap all the time with tanks. Bards get 2 hate reducing abilities. Refresh and Tactician and they are BOTH on a 3min CD. I will often have to use BOTH and then still rip hate because tanks think they dont have to contribute to enemity after they pull. Which is WRONG

The problem? Tanks think that because SKILLED tanks can do it then so can they. Which is not true...like at all.

When I tank in dungeons i stay in shield for adds (hello big pulls) and maybe 2 RH combos on the boss. Then switch to Sword, if I start losing hate guess what I do? I SWITCH , do a combo and switch back. It really is that simple. My job isnt to place +1 or 2 or 3 on the parse. My job is to make sure you dont take hate, and eat the busters. Its pretty simple

[Canadane]

Well enmity is a two way street, diversion is very useful.
Also with Warrior, he wouldn't have gotten any defensive bonus from the use of Defiance.

I'm sorry he may have been blunt about it, but I think you actually encountered one of those good tanks you rarely hear about.