Thread: The Culling: Moving into 5.0

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

It's not so much an issue as it is job identity. Classes will eventually be phased out, so SCH and SMN will need to stop sharing certain skills and mechanics (Aetherflow). Personally, I think SCH should retain Aetherflow and all AF abilities and DoT spells and Summoner should be revamped like Bard was and made to focus less on their DoTs and Aetherflow and more on their flares and Summoning.

I agree, exactly my thought.

I think the introduction of Demi-Bahamut was the best thing that could happen to summoner, because it exactly feels like what, usually, summoner do in FF games.
Big thing comes down, wreck havoc and leave. I wish there would be more skills like that.


Regarding the Egi, I wish that Either they'd make them an integral part of the job (i mean, more than just sending it on AA while actively pressing one rdmg buff) or just remove them as permanent pet. Egi are just "sligtly more interesting" Machinist Turret, and the turret are the dullest kind of pet you can ever dream of.

Also, even if gameplay wise there wouldn't be too much change, I really wish that the visual and feel of skills would showcase the summoning aspect of the summoner.

In WoW for instance, almost every skill the Demonology Warlock has involves summoning a hord of demons attacking the ennemy.
From a purely math PoV, these skills are exactly the same as "inflict X dmg over Ysec". They're basically DoTs.
But they're DoTs wich fits the spec them perfectly, it's not just a dot, you summoner a bunch of monster from the void to smash you foes for a few secondes.

Until HW summoner felt more like the old Demonology Warlock, a DoT class with a pet doing enhance AA dmg.

I really hope (but I'm not holding my breath) that SMN will get a massive rework in this department.

SCH feels perfectly fine to me
Thematically they're perfect, they're the strategist which reflect their toolkit, you need to plan in advance most of your skills and have to make decision on which skill you're gonna use your precious flux.
The addition of the fairy gauge makes the fairy more alive (altough I really hope we'll get at least 1 more fairy gauge related spell next xpac), which is something we can't say about the SMN since their last active pet related skill was at lv 50.(I guess you can count Devotion and proc ruinIV.... i don't really consider these "pet skills")


Also, I consider both SCH and SMN to already be phased out quite a bit,
how many powerful skills do they share? : Bane, Shadowflare, Rouse, Ruin2 ??? (Aetherflux if you want)
oh yeah summoner has rez and physic...

Even without major rework of SMN, we're 3-4 skills away from having virtually no more skills shared.
Just give SMN improved Bane and Shadowflare, SCH "improved Rouse" and you're left with only "ruin2, rez and... physick"