Thread: The Culling: Moving into 5.0

Originally Posted by Sylvain

I think the introduction of Demi-Bahamut was the best thing that could happen to summoner, because it exactly feels like what, usually, summoner do in FF games.
Big thing comes down, wreck havoc and leave. I wish there would be more skills like that.

I was surprised we didn't see that sort of thing back in HW. I figured the answer to "where are the rest of the egis" was going to be more traditional summons. Painflare could just have easily been called Thunderspark and had a Ramuh animation. Tri-Disaster could have been some Leviathan move that had the same effect, etc. It feels like a missed opportunity.

Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

I was surprised we didn't see that sort of thing back in HW. I figured the answer to "where are the rest of the egis" was going to be more traditional summons. Painflare could just have easily been called Thunderspark and had a Ramuh animation. Tri-Disaster could have been some Leviathan move that had the same effect, etc. It feels like a missed opportunity.

beat me
But yeah that's actually some cool idea you just got there.

I think your last sentence perfectly sums up the SMN, "missed opportunities"

IIRC Yoshi said that if they were to do it, it wouldn't be done before 5.0, but they've never announced any concrete plan to do so.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

General:

• A second use of toggled actions, such as deactivation/reactivation of Grit, and shifted actions (wherein one action replaces another in slot) such as Inner Release and Unchained, cannot be queued prior to the first's animation. Presently, hitting the skill twice even nearly a full GCD before action pair can force both to go off in succession despite no signal between the first and second, causing frequent accidental doubling for those who hit keys multiply to mitigate the effects of packet loss. This should redress that.
• Conditions such as buffs, job gauge components, and TP or Mana costs required for action use are checked only upon skill activation, i.e. when the spell first starts casting. This should deal with such issues as Impact being made uncastable midway through its own cast.

BLM: Enochian subsumed into a trait, Between the Lines brought into Ley Lines. Fire IV and Blizzard IV slot-combined.

RDM: Jolt II and Impact slot-combined.

SMN: Summon Bahamut and Enkindle Bahamut slot-combined.

WAR: Deliverance and Defiance slot-combined. Swapping to Warrior activates Deliverance automatically.

PLD: Sword Oath and Shield Oath slot-combined. Swapping to Paladin activates Sword Oath automatically.

MCH: Gauss Barrel trimmed. Gun Heat reworked to take effect from a much earlier level, and with larger gameplay significance. Hot Shot reworked to solely increase heat. Barrel Stabilizer renamed to fit the new lack of Gauss Barrel. Cooldown moved to level 52. New level 62 action added. Hypercharge now works off mana, therefore benefiting equally in its sustainability from Refresh.

BRD: Straight Shot reworked. Wanderer's Minuet now replaces both Bloodletter and Rain of Death with Perfect Pitch and the similarly-functioning Dissonance, respectively. Refulgent Arrow reworked slightly and now slot-combined with Straight(er) Shot.

DRG: Changed to follow a geometric combo structure, of 2 or 3 choices available at each tier.

2-choice structure. Heavy Thrust trimmed. True Thrust and Impulse Drive available at first. From there both Vorpal Thrust and Disembowel are available, then Full Thrust and Chaos Thrust. Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust thereafter. Fang & Claw and Wheeling Thrust differentiated. Impulse Drive, True Thrust, and Vorpal Thrust differentiated. One therefore has two buttons and two choices at every stage in combo. Fang & Claw and Wheeling Thrust possibly differentiated, or simply allow for two different positional options.

3-choice structure. Alternatively, Fang & Claw and Wheeling Thrust alone are reworked. Fang & Claw and Wheeling Thrust differentiated and now usable at any point in combo, past activation. Thus one starts with the options of Heavy Thrust, Impulse Drive, and True Thrust, and thereafter resets (if Heavy Thrust) or moves on to continue down the given combo, or to insert F&C or WT.

In either case, you now have as many keys spent on combos as you do choices at any point within them, leaving no wasted keyspace.

Similar combo changes for the rest, but the above are most of the obvious sources for trimming the required keyspace without any loss to job complexity.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Just started playing Ninja again and what's the point of Jugulate?.

Not really... it’s just an extra ogcd attack. There is maybe one fight in savage where you’d want it for silence but it’s better for the tanks to deal with that mechanic.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Just started playing Ninja again and what's the point of Jugulate? I get that it silences but the potency is so pointlessly low, compared to Spineshatter Dive which stuns but is like 220 potency. 80 potency is like an auto attack. Seems like it's hardly even worth using since you are interrupting your auto attack for a second when using it which lowers Ninki accumulation slightly.

Even if the auto-attack animation doesn't go off in the middle of another animation, the damage will still occur. Only casts can delay auto-attacks when they might otherwise have finished, and there is nothing capable of resetting their progress. This ends up a rare issue managed only by luck for Paladins during Requiescat, but is irrelevant/inexistant for all other jobs, especially now that booking/caning the boss isn't remotely worth crowding melee in the vast majority of cases.

If you really need the silence, save it for that; otherwise use it on CD unless it'd delay a more important CD. It's free damage.