So about Summoner...

[Capn_Goggles]

BLM mains "had" an issue (well a few since SB release), and they've mostly been corrected. I think a lot of BLM mains are ok with where the class is right now. It's not desired because the community circle jerks this "lul no utility" meme but it's in a good place relative to SMN.

Yeah, it's in a good place compared to SMN, in that it offers the same DPS while having no utility and being harder to play. "Things that tell you somebody mains a job while barely playing or understanding others" is my favorite jeopardy category. "Lul no utility" is a pretty good criticism when all of the jobs that have guaranteed slots are coincidentally all utility jobs.

If BLM received no further changes I could tolerate its current position, but it's not where it needs to be when there are still glaring problems with the job.

[xxPheNoMeNa]

Yeah, it's in a good place compared to SMN, in that it offers the same DPS while having no utility and being harder to play. "Things that tell you somebody mains a job while barely playing or understanding others" is my favorite jeopardy category. "Lul no utility" is a pretty good criticism when all of the jobs that have guaranteed slots are coincidentally all utility jobs.

If BLM received no further changes I could tolerate its current position, but it's not where it needs to be when there are still glaring problems with the job.

It's damage output is about equal to SMN WITH our utility factored in. And I play all 3 casters and regularly talk to others who play them as well and optimize as I do. What am I supposedly missing here? The only "downside" to BLM is the fact that it's harder to play. You could say perhaps they still deserve a slight buff to compensate for that, but it really doesn't need much because it would only be abused by those who ARE good at the class and would create balance issues on that end.

[Wilbow]

It's damage output is about equal to SMN WITH our utility factored in.

No, that's patently false. It's about equal before. BLM has a 30 DPS lead at the 90th percentile in savage. SMN utility is considerably more than 30 DPS.

[Maero]

No, that's patently false. It's about equal before. BLM has a 30 DPS lead at the 90th percentile in savage. SMN utility is considerably more than 30 DPS.

Exactly this ^
Smn output is almost the same as blm before utilities factored in.

[Nemekh]

Exactly this ^
Smn output is almost the same as blm before utilities factored in.

I question your definition of "almost the same". Not to mention that cross comparing percentiles in such a way ignores the fact that things are not being compared fairly.