So about Summoner...

[Capn_Goggles]

Sounds like DRK "mains" that complain WAR is doing everything better than DRK.

Probably because WAR does everything better than DRK, as does PLD

Cause, yeah, progression is definitely not a big part of raiding. /s

It's only a part of raiding, and RDM goes from useful to *nearly* useless in the transition, where other jobs still remain competitive barring "selfish DPS", because the only two things that matter in this game are your damage and your ability to make other people do more damage. The apex of the argument is that RDM stays almost exclusively as an ultra-casual training-wheels job for its lifespan when everybody else has traded theirs in by 60 at the latest, so while everyone is pulling stunts on their mountain bikes RDM is still stuck doing circles on flat pavement, and the reason for this is because its only utility is foam-padding when people are still learning the fight.

If you don't want to destroy your DPS when raising as a SMN, you have to keep Swiftcast and use it when you're either not in DWT or in Bahamut phase.

You are correct that SMN has a greater opportunity cost for resurrecting people than RDM, but if you're slamming out resurrections like RDM is capable of you probably aren't terribly concerned with your output at that point. Furthermore, the usefulness of swiftcast on SMN is fairly exaggerated, because while it's certainly handy to use and very easy to turn into a DPS gain, SMN only really needs it to resummon their pet and for resurrection, and the former is not nearly as big of a deal with the insane reduction in cast time it got.


Please understand, however, that the criticism for RDM in this regard is not an attempt to downsize what it can already do, but to expand what it yet cannot do. I am of the opinion that every job should have some justification for being brought along to every fight, even if some jobs are more suited for it than others.