So about Summoner...

[Megguido]

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You can't be that extreme either. Savage and Ultimate are the content that require the most balance about jobs. Who cares that SAM is doing twice the damage of a MCH in a dungeon or against Ifrit HM ?

Though does it require almost perfect balance ? And balance cannot be perfect either. If you boost RDM damage by 500 or 600 to make it on par with SMN, you have to consider that it will be stupidly powerful at lower levels. Current RDM, sync'ed at lvl 50, is kinda the highest DPS job.

I don't say SE should balance job around low lvl. I'm saying that it's a consequence of balancing jobs at high level. The reverse reasoning can apply to SMN. Nerf its damage at lvl 70, and it might be significantly harder to play it at lvl 50, to the point leveling is a pain.

SE can't just say "Hey guys got an idea, give 500 DPS to the RDM so they're good kay ?" and be done with it.

You fail to understand this. There are more scenarios for a blm giving 100% to wipe than a smn giving 100%. It's not entirely your input, it's how insanely stronger smn can carry a group. It's selfish to not use it unless it's just weekly clears.

I think you didn't get a crucial detail. SMN isn't a very "prog-friendly" job. Their damage will suffer a lot until they know the fight. SMN excels at weekly clears, high DPS, fast runs. But on progression, a SMN will have a hard time (much like BLM I believe). The only way a SMN can carry a party is if the DPS is barely enough to pass the enrage timer. And usually, if the DPS isn't enough, it's because people died to stupid, are really undergeared, don't know a proper DPS rotation or couldn't execute it because of the mechanics. Not because you didn't bring the meta job.

So yeah, maybe I can carry a group with SMN better than with BLM, granted. Then should they balance jobs around PUGs ? Please make this job stronger so I can carry imbeciles ?

[...]All I gotta say on this topic is if you're on here whining about your class, you're probably not good enough to be in the 90th percentile anyway, so anything FFlogs says about your class doesn't apply lol. [...] I know both BLM and RDM mains that put SMN to shame on a regular basis, so never give up and blame it on class balance!

These two statements have very little value, here's why:
- Some people here are at 90th percentile. And even if we're not, there is data to prove the point. Though we must consider the sample (more people playing SMN than BLM for example). Saying "lol ur bad, git gud" isn't a valid argument.
- You know BLM and RDM that put SMN to shame I do not doubt about that. I also put SMN to shame with DRK or PLD. Doesn't mean DRK is overpowered, just means their SMN is played by someone that has no idea what they are doing.