So about Summoner...

[Neela]

Imo, I prefer having a job that is not "meta" and have fun with it rather than playing something I have less fun with. Savage raids can be cleared with any team composition, having a meta comp doesn't mean having more success. Our team had a WHM, DRK, RDM, SAM and MNK, so very little raid buffs, and cleared all Sigma savage just fine.

thats how our static plays as well - last savage tier we run 2x smn 2x drk and it was unproblematic. we are just casual/mid lvl but if people play what they like and have fun with, all that meta bullshit flies away. some people should just step back from this meta blah... as long as all cls actually "can" clear savage its not a real "balance-problem" its more a personal problem of people seeing their main cls in a worser spot than others. (and don't start bs like "said a smn" pls)

My answer to that Neela is it should be balanced on high end content, because people playing at that end are the only ones who are going to run into issues like this. Zera said it beautifully earlier: every player can get better to get more out of their job, but system enforced caps can only be changed by the system.

well I'm not with u at this point... f.e. why should pve player take the loss of raise or a weaker heal on rdm just because raider want them more viable for there reasons... - see the problem with thinking like that? every cls-adjustments for raiding will effect pve as well. sad that elite-raiders seem to forget that from time to time... q.q

we discussed that matter more than once in discord... actually if u want balance in savage, the cls' need a savage-profil just like the pvp-profils - less skills more balance... easier to adjust single skills faster with hot fixes... but well more streamline and more boredom as well...

its the only way to separate savage from casual content in matter of balance : /

Else there will always be top tier cls and "haha what do YOU want here" cls... no matter how hard they try balancing in general.