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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I would rather boost rdm personal dps than boost their offensive utility.
    Okay. Now we're encroaching on BLM territory because the only thing BLM offers is damage, and now its competitors do near BLM levels of damage and both have utility. Balance is against BLM unfairly.

    EDIT:

    Decided to look up my RDM compared to one of my peers' SMN, out of curiosity (both logs were in the 88th-90th percentile):
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...fFcnB9ZRpT2q/2
    Total contributed DPS: 751
    DPS before contributions: 6,335
    DPS after: 6,730

    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...MW1cRKm3Qgzj/3
    Embolden Contributed DPS: 316.2
    DPS before contributions: 5,688
    Total damage out: 5,609

    Obviously there are other factors that go into this, as with any support, such as "How much do team members take advantage of the buffs?" However, based on at least one anecdotal comparison of high-level casters, it's plain to see SMN beats RDM out hard in both damage and utility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Okay. Now we're encroaching on BLM territory because the only thing BLM offers is damage, and now its competitors do near BLM levels of damage and both have utility. Balance is against BLM unfairly.
    I did not said you have to boost rdm to blm level. You have to boost dps like 500 if you want it be blm level. Like 200 - 300 dps would be enough. And also if players want to see summoner more punishing via movements ruin 2 potency should be nerfed and ruin 3 potency boosted. But that would nerf scholar at same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    EDIT:
    Decided to look up my RDM compared to one of my peers' SMN, out of curiosity (both logs were in the 88th-90th percentile):
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...fFcnB9ZRpT2q/2
    I m also impressed how much utility that summoner bring from radiant shield because fastest speed kill not have even half of that.
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...jQv89DcXBnG/18

    If i check my own partyfinder runs it not bring anywhere near like that.
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...cVfJmqy8vb7G/4

    Wanna tell me how that summoner have over 600+ radiant shield damage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I m also impressed how much utility that summoner bring from radiant shield because fastest speed kill not have even half of that.
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...jQv89DcXBnG/18

    If i check my own partyfinder runs it not bring anywhere near like that.
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...cVfJmqy8vb7G/4

    Wanna tell me how that summoner have over 600+ radiant shield damage?
    Beats me. I could comb through his logs and give you a guess, that'd take me a bit.
    EDIT: 541 is nowhere near "not even half" of 751, and the added damage can be explained by the longer fight duration since more casts of Radiant Shield went off.
    Worth mentioning in your run you linked, your physical dps weren't very up to par at all.

    Also I am going to issue an apology and a correction: I mistakenly linked my Guardian kill log as opposed to my Chadarnook kill log, here's the Chad kill log:
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...FBgHwJhaCGn3/2
    6,009 damage out
    322.3 from embolden
    6,037 total.

    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...RGN64PHgCyp/19
    Here's another SMN speedkill (rank 14), the SMN here had more support than Avery did (589.1), even if their group didn't kill as fast.

    Then let's look at Avery: 541 dps of support (what do you mean not even half of that btw >.> 541 is actually close to Mira's own score), 7000 DPS out, 6800 when buffs are accounted for.

    Compare to Jump Man: https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...g4LyPc1R9Yw/21
    7865!! Holy shit right, RDM OP.

    Until you take away all the obvious padding, he drops to 6571. But let's look at a more reasonable Jump Man comparison:
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...Dag2rZM8N9z/20
    6,481 out, 421 Embolden, 6,243 total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    EDIT: 541 is nowhere near "not even half" of 751, and the added damage can be explained by the longer fight duration since more casts of
    Sorry i mean vulnerability damage is not even half of that. Summoner have 487.6 vulnerability dps while even in fastest speed kill there is 215 vulnerability dps. Even that summoner you linked have only 223 vulnerability dps. 1min longer fight not double value of your vulnerability no matter how I look at it. There is something wrong with that. I have never seen that high number o6s from that.

    Phantom Train is purely padding against 8 targets so no point discuss about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Sorry i mean vulnerability damage is not even half of that. Summoner have 487.6 vulnerability dps while even in fastest speed kill there is 215 vulnerability dps. Even that summoner you linked have only 223 vulnerability dps. 1min longer fight not double value of your vulnerability no matter how I look at it. There is something wrong with that. I have never seen that high number o6s from that.
    I couldn't tell you *shrug* His other numbers look more normal, so I'll count that as an outlier.
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...CmqcjTxz3Rpd/2 Here's another with probably more normal numbers.
    6256 personal, 437 rDPS, 6,419 total. He ranked 82nd percentile here.

    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...FBgHwJhaCGn3/2 Mine from before for the sake of keeping them in one post (91st percentile):
    6,009 damage out
    322.3 from embolden
    6,037 total.
    Phantom Train is purely padding against 8 targets so no point discuss about that.
    Did I...? Shit, sorry.
    https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...qT3wMxhkr8BY/7
    6,569 out, 6,396 total.
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