So about Summoner...

[Caduagm]

I don't understand how you assumed this was a "give him raise" thread. I love BLM and it's identity as a big dps monster. As was pointed out, my issue is that SMN has EVERYTHING.

... Play Summoner, then?

[Dualgunner]

... Play Summoner, then?

That's the only answer a lot of raiding casters have right now. Downside is the casters do not have the same gameplay loop; the challenges BLM finds fun are not present in SMN, and vice-versa. Same with RDM compared to either of its peers. However, to play the job we want that has the gameplay we want, we have to sacrifice just how powerful SMN, and the whole group has to deal with that decision as well.

[Zerathor]

... Play Summoner, then?

This mentality needs to die.

[Neela]

This mentality needs to die.

"nerf xyz cause its stronger than my cls"

needs to die at first - cause thats what it is all about - in every "meta" topic ever since... /thread

[Zerathor]

"nerf xyz cause its stronger than my cls"

needs to die at first - cause thats what it is all about - in every "meta" topic ever since... /thread

It's about ballance. If you honestly cant see smn is out ranking other casters by a good margin, you're blind. It's blatantly unfair and unhealthy to the game.

Maybe one day you'll be able to comprehend this if smn gets a bad patch and falls to bottom tier caster slot. A smn has never been forced into other jobs.

[Tsurayu]

It's about ballance. If you honestly cant see smn is out ranking other casters by a good margin, you're blind. It's blatantly unfair and unhealthy to the game.

Maybe one day you'll be able to comprehend this if smn gets a bad patch and falls to bottom tier caster slot. A smn has never been forced into other jobs.

Heh, clearly you didn't play Summoner for the entirety of 2.X. Wasn't exactly broken, but certainly was "bottom tier" caster, so tell your sob story to someone else.

Honestly, I'd feel more sympathetic towards this discussion if it wasn't so blatantly biased. It just screams of "Wah! Black Mage isn't on top anymore, nerf Summoner so I can be back on top!" I do agree that Black Mage should be doing more damage than Summoner given that Black Mage is built more like a "selfish DPS" class, but it is still doing more damage, albeit Summoner's potential is perhaps higher than it should be. But most of this topic is about "NERF SUMMONER!" instead of trying to be proactive and adjust Black Mage. But no, why try to buff Black Mage when you can hate on your fellow Summoners and nerf them, right? Whatever.

[CreinCrein]

Maybe one day you'll be able to comprehend this if smn gets a bad patch and falls to bottom tier caster slot. A smn has never been forced into other jobs.

I guess I could comprehend it throughout all of 2.xx, 3.xx and early 4.xx then, since summoner has only recently moved itself into the meta. The fourth raid slot has never been more competitive with meta groups running monk/summoner/machinist; pretty healthy in comparison to the double ranged meta we had for close to two years(?) now.

[Neela]

Maybe one day you'll be able to comprehend this if smn gets a bad patch and falls to bottom tier caster slot. A smn has never been forced into other jobs.

maybe one day u will actually know what u are talking about... until than u should study eorzeas history instead trying to lecture me.


with the latest pot buffs of the selfish ones & the (at least for me) well balanced range cls' its exactly like Crein said: its first time in history that there is a fair logical and tactical competition given in the dds meta slots. the only one who could get a slight buff is rdm, else raid situation is refreshed and pretty interessting atm - keep your saltiness for yourself... there are still fights where blm & sams easily kick smns ass to death so whats the matter of balance everybody is talking about...?

...and even if summoner seems a lil bit yolo atm - its finally hella fun playing it, isn't it what matters in the end?...

[RainDurell]

...and even if summoner seems a lil bit yolo atm - its finally hella fun playing it, isn't it what matters in the end?...

There's no arguing with you if you think "so what if they're a bit op, its fun being op" is fine.
Enough with the "bias" replies; I tried UCoB with Summoner and I had alot of fun. I did Sigmascape as a RDM. I don't play solely BLM.
I didn't propose any solution, I didn't say "nerf smn" or "buff blm", I stated that SMN is dominating all other casters by a significant margin. Stop trying to claim it as "salty blm tears", I'm stating FACTS.
Look at the God Kefka logs. No Adds, no downtime, and SMN is just about equal with BLM. This would be fine if SMN didn't have any utility, but because they do, they simply do the same (if not more in mobility/add focused fights) damage as BLM, and have far more utility than BLM, who in turn, has NO utility.

Heck, let's stop talking about BLM for a second. How is it fair that SMN does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than MNK NIN DRG BRD MCH RDM in most fights, while bringing about the same amount of utility as atleast half of them, and remaining absolutely mobile for the entirety of the fight? Isn't mobility and big utility the reason why BRD/MCH are designed to be weaker in personal DPS? Sure they have considerably better utility than SMN, but the margin between BRD/MCH and SMN is way too big if the reason is just having slightly less utility than them.

[Neela]

I'm stating FACTS.

oh u wanna talk about facts and fairness? than tell me how fair smns last 3 years past was, were they never took the slightest role in raiding at all? hmm.. but well like you opend your hypocratical post "enough with bias replies" k?