[dev1244] Accessory Reform, discussion

[MartaDemireux]

Crap. I just bought 4 piety rings for archer when they said they were getting rid of slot cost. Now there are only going to be 2 slots for rings and new rings added with better stats... Irritates me since I'm one of the 4% of playerbase that has less than a million gil but as long as the new stuff is really good and they create /display earring off then I'll be happy.

[Felis]

You will still be getting your 2 rings with 5 strenght and added to that a wrist,necklace and earring with junk stats.

Link or it would not happen

[KumaAkuma]

First of all, naming a thread [dev1244] discussions does not tag it with dev tags guys. =P

Yeah I was a bit too fast with the submit button and don't seem to be able to edit in tags

[Felis]

I think people who want 2 earring slots mostly want it for aesthetic reasons. At least that's the reason for me. Requesting a /display earring [left | right] seems rather stupid, so why not just go with 2 earring slots?

2 ring slots is fine and i can live without 2 bracelet slots, earrings.... yeah, purely aesthetic reasons..

Hmm, maybe they could add 2 earring slots, but only allow you to put 1 earring. But that would be another sort of slot cost again.

[RemVye]

Hopefully they make some really big earrings and bling! I want big ol' hoops in my ears or gigantic diamonds that sparkle as I run through the light!

SE for reference here is an image of something I'd love to see in the game

[NoctisUmbra]

Why do you think certain slots will only get certain stats just from those examples?

Because it's the case already for our current situation.

... Yes, because it is completely logical to presume that the new system, which they are implementing by drastically changing the current system, will abide by a constraint set in the current system. lolwot?

When 1.21 hits and you go see rings, earrings, and accessories for every other slot with a wider range of stats for customization please take a picture of your reaction and post it here. I'd love to see the expression.

With slot cost, it made sense to classify certain accessory slots with certain stats. You wouldnt be able to equip for every slot anyway, so your freedom came in the form of choice of slot, not stat. Essentially slot = stat.

With slot cost removed, everyone will be equipping 5 accessories freely all the time. It would make absolutely no sense to keep each slot limited to a certain stat-type. They simply need to give variety to the slots in terms of stats so players have freedom in selecting which accessory they want, rather than which slot they want to fill. I don't know about you, but the examples given definitely show new stat types in existent slots.

[Silversnow]

I really hope they add a graphical toggle for Left, Right or Both to gear that's being combined into one slot.

[KumaAkuma]

... Yes, because it is completely logical to presume that the new system, which they are implementing by drastically changing the current system, will abide by a constraint set in the current system. lolwot?

When 1.21 hits and you go see rings, earrings, and accessories for every other slot with a wider range of stats for customization please take a picture of your reaction and post it here. I'd love to see the expression.

With slot cost, it made sense to classify certain accessory slots with certain stats. You wouldnt be able to equip for every slot anyway, so your freedom came in the form of choice of slot, not stat. Essentially slot = stat.

With slot cost removed, everyone will be equipping 5 accessories freely all the time. It would make absolutely no sense to keep each slot limited to a certain stat-type. They simply need to give variety to the slots in terms of stats so players have freedom in selecting which accessory they want, rather than which slot they want to fill. I don't know about you, but the examples given definitely show new stat types in existent slots.

They did it in FFXI, they are doing it now, the new materia system is doing the same, heck even the emnity earring is a reference back to FFXI. It's not so hard to follow SE's trends.

[Kittra]

My observations:

We will no longer be able to spirit-bond 4 rings at a time/2 earrings at a time/2 bracelets at a time, all of which give material only obtainable from that type of accessory.

With the examples they've given on the new recipes, we don't actually gain anything by using 2 rings instead of 4 other than getting some inventory space back.

Even if we can put materia on accessories following patch 1.21, we still will not have free choice of "which" materia we can put on them, just like we don't have free choice of "which" materia we can put on any piece of gear. More than likely, the materia they designate for rings/earring/wrist/neck will not be anything you'd want to put on them in the first place, because that would, technically, destroy whatever perceived "game balance" SE "thinks" they have in place.


My feelings on this change:

Personally, I'm not happy.

I'm all for maintaining inventory space, but when SE originally announced the "abolishment" of slot cost, I thought it was just that, getting rid of a horrible Tanaka inlaid gimick that should not have existed in the first place, and allowing players to reach a "fuller" potential.

Instead, we got a reworked system (9 to 5 slots) which explains why it took them so long to get us this fix in the first place.

Going by SE's track record of previous changes/implementations they've done over the past year+, I don't hold out much faith that this system will benefit us at all.

As it stands now as they explained it (without taking into account how new accessories may or may not have stats spread) we gain absolutely nothing from this change. However, we don't really lose anything either (other than the ability to spirit-bond 3-4 rings at once), nothing really changed other than instead of 9 slots, we now have 5.

If I had known that they'd be reducing the slots ahead of time, I would have lobbied more for new accessories with better stats for level 50, than the removal of the slot cost system (which could have worked if SE actually sat down and made the system more intuitive).

Most of all though, I'm upset with this give/take mentality SE has for FFXIV. It seems they feel they can't give us something without taking something else away in the name of game balance.

Now if the game was actually balanced, and they needed to maintain it, I'd be all for whatever changes they made to that cause, but as it stands now, the game is 95% unbalanced. No one wants to play MRD, LNC, or PUG because they are "unnecessary" and, as a whole, entirely unconventional for any fight where the mob does not stand still the entire time, which does not happen, because the enmity system (which SE already changed once before) is not balanced.

*end rant*

[Venat]

They should just keep it like FFXI. 2 Earring Slots, 2 Ring Slots, 1 Neck slot. There wasnt any Bracelet Slots in FFXI but anything bracelet was Hands. Im fine if it was....

2 Earring Slots
2 Ring Slots
1 Neck Slot
1~2 Bracelet Slot

Having us be able to equip 4 rings was bit crazy.

They better start including Ammo Slot for accessories like FFXI did. I want to hold Crystal Stones/Backpack that boost my stats. ^.~