[dev1244] Accessory Reform, discussion

[Arcell]

can you stop saying everyone

Oh so I used the word everyone once. Get over it. At the time I can't remember a single person being against the removal of slot cost. Hell it was even a belgianrofl thread and I can't remember anyone disagreeing with him on that point. Now you weren't here when that was happening so you and anyone else who joined after the fact would likely be exempt from that blanket statement. But no you're right, in all likelihood it wasn't EVERYONE, but it was by far and away a vast majority.

The point is though that this was one of the first big issues to come up on the forums that has not yet seen a fix. Now that we're getting one, people seem to be on the other side of it. As if the removal of a few slots is a big deal anyway. The new accessories will be balanced around that decision so it's not like we're really losing anything. It was the same thing with class restrictions. With the original armoury system things weren't restricted much so people complained about class uniqueness and wanting restrictions. When we got restrictions people were against it. Happens all the time.

[Arcell]

You dont understand what People are talking about. Its not about equipping all 12 Slots. Its about make an absolute unlogical abolishment.

2 Earrings -> 1 Earring
2 Wristlets -> 1 Wristlets

Are we all have Characters with 1 Arm and 1 Ear? They can go with 5 Slots instead of 9, i couldnt care less. But the please make it either 2 Earrings instead of 1 Wristlet and 1 Earring or 2 Wristlets instead of 1 Earring and 1 Wristlet. I dont care how it "looks" on my Character and i dont care about the Stats, like i said above.

I don't see how the change is so "unlogical". They had an excess of slots. For the sake of balance in the system they decided to reduce the number of slots. A few areas had duplicate slots. These slots could be reduced to one without removing the accessory type as a whole. Thus they reduced the accessory types with duplicate slots to a single slot. To me, that makes perfect sense. They needed to reduce the number of accessories so instead of removing entire accessory types they simply reduced the duplicates to a single slot.

If you don't care about looks or stats, why do you care? All I see is you wanting to use all possible slots because we have two arms or ears. Pugilists use two weapons and yet it takes up one slot. It's pretty much exactly the same thing here actually lol. You equip a single item that has a single set of stats and yet it appears on both sides. With a few exceptions that's how the bracelets and earrings will work, as they've said.

Did anyone else see the party where they said there are plans to release rings that go on the ring finger in the future?

[ninesunz]

in xiv epic earring goes into the ear. Spiffy bracelet goes onto the wrist. Suitable rings go on the fingers. ah screw it i should have something there any way neck piece goes on the neck. Net difference.. a whole lot of nothing. Save for some perceiving a loss

To be honest i have never used more then 5 accessories my entire time playing xiv. If the examples they gave us are any thing to go on. were in for some good stuff. I mean heck those new pearl rings gave me a thmboner.

Sorry Griss I should have been more precise.
What I wanted to point out is during story telling I'd like to receive an earring of some epicness from a God/Goddess or entity and have space for the other ear for another. To me, "you receive a pair of Ifrit earrings" doesn't carry the same feel as "you receive an Ifrit earring"

I much rather have 2 earrings and no bracelet, in the end the stats maybe the same but the feel of the game is different.

[Nero]

If you don't care about looks or stats, why do you care? All I see is you wanting to use all possible slots because we have two arms or ears.

Comprehension Skill, do you need it ? Or did you smoke Apeshit?

I said i dont care if we can use 5 or 9. I said i dont care how it looks! All i care about is the fact that almost every friggn MMO ( including FFXI ) out there make it possible to wear 2 Earrings, since you have simply 2 Ears. If SE get rid of both Wristlets, so i can use both Earrings, then im Game. But making BOTH 1, instead of making one of them 2, is simply Nonsense.

I much rather have 2 earrings and no bracelet, in the end the stats maybe the same but the feel of the game is different.

This

. It's pretty much exactly the same thing here actually lol. You equip a single item that has a single set of stats and yet it appears on both sides.

No its not the Same. PGL/MNK always worked that way, Earrings didnt work always that way. If we get Dualwield you also will wear 2 Weapons in seperated Slots.

[Griss]

Allow me to be Griss for a second here. That's a perceived loss nine not a actual one, get over it.

Instead of hunting down two ifrit's earrings you will be looking for a pair of Ifrit's ear jiggers and a neon Ifrit wrist slapper.

[tachikoma]

lol how can ppl complain about an improvement to the accessory system not only are they simplifying the whole setup (really 9 accessories? what is this a Mike Judge movie, just call me Jennifer Aniston as I suit up in my flair) but they are also redoing the stats on all accessories and making them current.

[Chardrizard]

Wait. let me get this straight, people wants 2 earrings slot because it 'felt' different? Jesus, help me i don't think i should go further.

[Rizon]

Are we really mad about this? Really? We've known this was coming for a LONG time, the wording was just a little vague. This has been a probable outcome since they first announced they were going to remove slot cost many months ago.

Personally I approve of these changes. Was anyone really using 5 or more accessories? If not then you're getting more room for accessories. Also they're balancing this to work with the rest of the game, the current accessories are not.

It's funny to see people all on one side of an issue and then once a fix is proposed, everyone's back on the other side. In this case initially everyone wanted slot cost removed and to use all available accessory slots. Well they're giving us that, except for the sake of balancing things they're removing a couple of slots. Makes sense to me. Now that we're getting that people want to go back to slot cost? Really? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. Absolutely ridiculous lol.

How about for once we let the devs do what they do best? The proposed system is good, it looks like it works just fine. Things will be balanced to work with the new system in place and the rest of the game. Honestly though people will complain up to 1.21 and then maybe for a few weeks after and we'll never hear about this issue again. New players won't know any system other than the new one and no one else will really care. Happens every patch lol.

I am in complete agreement with this reply. IMO the the success or failure of this change will be determined by stats on the new accessories and we will not know that unti the patch unles the publish a recipe list prior ala Ver1.19. Until we see that everything is guesswork.

[Arcell]

Comprehension Skill, do you need it ? Or did you smoke Apeshit?

No I'm good on the comprehension. You only want both slots because we have two ears or two arms, and for no other reason at all. Why does it matter though? It still appears on both arms or ears with few exceptions.

I said i dont care if we can use 5 or 9. I said i dont care how it looks! All i care about is the fact that almost every friggn MMO ( including FFXI ) out there make it possible to wear 2 Earrings, since you have simply 2 Ears. If SE get rid of both Wristlets, so i can use both Earrings, then im Game. But making BOTH 1, instead of making one of them 2, is simply Nonsense.

It's not nonsense, it makes perfect sense. They had to reduce the number of slots so instead of removing an entire accessory type, the reduced the duplicate slots. So you'd rather have them remove entire accessory types instead of having just one slot? So basically it's I want it all or nothing at all?

No its not the Same. PGL/MNK always worked that way, Earrings didnt work always that way. If we get Dualwield you also will wear 2 Weapons in seperated Slots.

Except it is the same. The only difference is, as you stated, that this is a change as opposed to an existing system. However the game is in a state of great change and such things are necessary. We can't just keep everything the way it was because that sucked. As far as gameplay goes however it IS exactly the same. You equip one weapon that appears in both hands and gives a single set of stat bonuses. You equip an earring that appears on both ears and gives a single set of stat bonuses. You equip a bracelet that appears on both wrists and gives a single set of stat bonuses. It's the exact same thing as far as the game is concerned. Also new players won't know the old system and won't care, as far as they're concerned the current system is all there is.

[Nero]

Wait. let me get this straight, people wants 2 earrings slot because it 'felt' different? Jesus, help me i don't think i should go further.

You are close in getting it. xD

That Arcell guy in example, is far away from getting it.