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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Savage isn't fun for most people, and rather than tell you straight out it isn't fun and leave, they make excuses until it blows up.
    I mena, ffs look at these answers. What kind of videogame or endgame is it where the best advice is NOT to do it with friends or guildmates?
    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Because the static is so important that you need to take a stern hand with your friend, possibly to the point of kicking them, otherwise clearing this fight will be impossible. The whole skill threshold for this and organizational threshhold is so high, comparable to certain types of raiding, that you have to manage your friends as if they are working with you. In other mmos, it exists, but it seems to be much harsher here, comparable to the aforementioned pvp games.

    Base on these 2 comments I can say two things, you are either:

    - Don't really play other MMO beside this game.
    - You never really participate in the end game scene, and just commenting on it from the side.

    This situation exists in every MMO. I had played WoW during the period of its first 4 expacks, I had played Everquests, I had played GuildWarII, I've been playing this game since 2.0, and if my experience to go by, this game actually have one of the most casual end game raiding scenes comparing to most of the other Western MMO. You seem to be making the assumption about playing with friends, or significant others is that you have to do everything together, it's not.

    I remember back in WoW, I was part of a HC raiding guild. The thing is, most of us have some casual friends playing the game as well. So outside of raid nights, we hang out and chill with them. It worked well, for a HC guild, I remembered we rarely remove anyone from our raid group unless they left willingly due to real life situation, and my casual friends played with me all those years as well. Samething when I moved to GW2. And samething happening now in this game. The idea is you realize to maintain sustainable and healthy long term relationships, you have to at least have a few of these aspects:

    - Having aligned interest.
    - Mutual respect of each other times.
    - Give each other their own space to maneuver around.

    In fact, that kind of attitude of "being around each other 24/7 and do everything together" is not a healthy one, especially when the interest is not align. Ask yourself this:

    -why hardcore group tend to be the most resilience groups? Most of these people have been playing together for years, and from the outside most of them also look like arrogant a-double-s elitist jerks? So how these jerks actually can stick with each others in an environment that assumed to be more hostile than most?
    - On the other spectrum, you can also find groups that are so casual that never really able to accomplish anything, but still play with each others for years?

    It's not your place to decide out of those two, one is having fun and the other isn't. I'm pretty sure they both have fun in their own way. The issue usually come from the groups that trying to mix-match those two types. It doesn't matter if you're talking about a gaming group, a circle of friends, or even members of a family. People naturally gravitate toward those with similar interest and goal, if you try to force the issue otherwise then you're just looking at a fallout in the making.


    And btw, if you think managing a group in this game is hard when it has:

    - Linkshell
    - PF.
    - 8men raid.

    Not to mention modern ultility like Discord ...etc...
    Try to imagine the situations in games like WoW back when the best VO were Teamspeak/Ventrilo, and the raid consist of 10-24-40 people with no PF or communication methods outside of guild chat. This game, like I said, is lot more casual friendly then most MMO out there.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 06-09-2018 at 03:21 PM.