Probably old topic, but... (RDM/PotD)

[Maeka]

I created a topic in General about humor and unwritten rules and one of the first responses was "Just because RDM can't heal doesn't mean they should in PotD" or something like that.

So I'm here to ask....

Why don't RDMs like healing in PotD? Is it that big of a deal?

If you have a healer in the group then yeah you shouldn't need to heal, but if you go in with no healers and you're a RDM... is it better to wipe than sacrifice some DPS for Vercure? Or waste time running to the Cairn of Return to pick people back up off the ground?

I don't get it... but I suppose that explains why I get so many comms in PotD while leveling RDM lately, lol. I'm always throwing out Vercures whenever peeps need healing if there are no healers around.

[Bernkastelx]

Mainly from what I have seen people just don't know they have vercure and are learning rdm in potd. Too many times I had to tell people in there rdm has strong heal and the reason the class feels "slow" is because they are hardcasting veraero/verthunder.

[Maeka]

Mainly from what I have seen people just don't know they have vercure and are learning rdm in potd. Too many times I had to tell people in there rdm has strong heal and the reason the class feels "slow" is because they are hardcasting veraero/verthunder.

I can relate to the hardcasting Aero/Thunder bit, that's how I was in my first PoTD, but not knowing about Vercure, like, seriously? Does nobody open their Role/Actions list before going into PotD anymore?

You'd think by now that people would know by the time to get to Floor 51 that it is a GOGOGOGOGOGO thing and you do NOT have time to fiddle with your hotbars in the middle of a run, so you'd think that most people would know to have that crap set up before Qing (well, ok, you can't set Role Actions before going in if you're <Lv50) and if they did that, surely they'd see Vercure listed in the Class/Job Actions?

[Rongway]

Despite having the action Vercure, RDM is not a healer, and most RDMs won't have their UIs set up for healing party members. In party play, the primary use of Vercure is as an on-demand Swiftcast when a boss is untargetable, and no serious RDM will cast Vercure when an attack spell is available. Vercure should be on the bar, for this reason, but it doesn't necessarily need to be part of a UI setup that makes it easy to cast on anyone but self.

This should be quite fine in matched Deep Dungeon parties, because they are designed to be completable by any party composition, and if there are four party members, the solution "just kill it faster" should apply without any problems. If it doesn't, one or more party members are doing it wrong, by pulling things they shouldn't or by not knowing the most basic of basics for their jobs (e.g., slowcasting Verslowspells). Even then, one person playing competently should be able to kill a mob before the other person needs healing. You could be the RDM who kills the mob in 2.5 seconds just as easily as you can be the RDM who heals the person who doesn't know how to job.

[Bernkastelx]

Don't think anybody was classing rdm as a healer and lets face it people aren't robots they will make mistakes. Its nice to have a back up heal/rez when your healer dies and your tank needs heals. Sure in a perfect ffxiv community where everybody plays their class at peak rdm is "dps only" but lets be real that isn't going to happen.

[Ekimmak]

On one hand, it would be nice if they used it to touch people up suffering from mimic disease.

On the other hand, I carry enough sustaining potions to completely outlast mimic disease, so it shouldn't be an issue.

[Dualgunner]

Don't think anybody was classing rdm as a healer and lets face it people aren't robots they will make mistakes. Its nice to have a back up heal/rez when your healer dies and your tank needs heals. Sure in a perfect ffxiv community where everybody plays their class at peak rdm is "dps only" but lets be real that isn't going to happen.

RDM has no raise in potd which is what the topic is about. It's cure amounts to a cure 1 and that's really about it, and considering RDM has no dots it hurts more than any healer for using a gcd heal because its an absolute halt to damage output.

Rongway is absolutely right about RDM here.

[Maeka]

RDM has no raise in potd which is what the topic is about. It's cure amounts to a cure 1 and that's really about it, and considering RDM has no dots it hurts more than any healer for using a gcd heal because its an absolute halt to damage output.

Rongway is absolutely right about RDM here.

"Which is what the topic is about"? I never mentioned Verraise, and obviously I didn't because it's Lv64.

If you have 3x DPS and 1 RDM, Vercure is surprisingly awesome. It can easily keep people alive against most enemies in 51-100, and even against the bosses, it heals more than enough to sustain people as long as they're not standing in stupid.

Heck, you want a little story? Not PotD, but my FC and I accidentally Q'd up for The Vault and we forgot to bring a healer. It was me, a SAM, a DRK, and I forget what the 4th person was. No Healer.

Wanna know how far we got with JUST Vercure?

We got all the way up to Charibert. We couldn't kill Charibert (we got him down to 15% once, and 20% another time), but we managed to kill the previous two bosses and all the trash, with just 2 deaths on the 2nd boss. And those are dungeon mobs, not PotD mobs designed to be killed solo. I even have a screenshot to prove it:

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/...78312437363285

[Dualgunner]

"Which is what the topic is about"? I never mentioned Verraise, and obviously I didn't because it's Lv64.

Did you read the post backwards or something? lol
Palace of the Dead is what the topic is about, and RDM has no verraise in it. The poster I quoted was talking about verraise.

If you have 3x DPS and 1 RDM, Vercure is surprisingly awesome. It can easily keep people alive against most enemies in 51-100, and even against the bosses, it heals more than enough to sustain people as long as they're not standing in stupid.

So can sustaining potions, and you also have to consider that PotD 1-100 is balanced with the idea in mind one can have all DPS, and no tanks or healers.

Heck, you want a little story? Not PotD, but my FC and I accidentally Q'd up for The Vault and we forgot to bring a healer. It was me, a SAM, a DRK, and I forget what the 4th person was. No Healer.

Wanna know how far we got with JUST Vercure?

We got all the way up to Charibert. We couldn't kill Charibert (we got him down to 15% once, and 20% another time), but we managed to kill the previous two bosses and all the trash, with just 2 deaths on the 2nd boss. And those are dungeon mobs, not PotD mobs designed to be killed solo. I even have a screenshot to prove it:

I mean, that's cool; it's always fun to have adventures like that. It doesn't change Vercure being about as powerful as Cure 1. In endgame, and in most dungeons, cure 1 is not used much at all. I mean, heck, you yourself admit Vercure couldn't keep everybody healed through Charibert.

None of this changes mine or Rongway's point that RDM is a DPS first, and serves its party better more often than not by killing mobs faster rather than healing, and that truly vercure's purpose is proccing dualcast in phase transitions.

[Pastahnak]

Like stated above potd is for lvling and you probably don't understand how the job works/plays yet so it's safe to say the majority of people forget. For people who complain that a rdm isn't healing, it's understandable to assume in a 4 dps party a rdm should be healing if your in a sticky situation or u all stepped on a bomb trap, but outside that u should have enough potions to get u through ur run.