Upcoming changes to HQ specifications

[Jashynvald]

I'm all for Full HQ Mats = HQ Output. It's also very nice to hear that maybe there will be other stats involved with HQ on armor as the DEF bonus and Meld% increases are nice, but those aren't enough usually to make them worth going for.

Oh, and what about working on processed materials and the other craftables we don't get touch ups for?

[Shayed]

That sounds great i have not been able to HQ a single piece of gear yet.

[urhryu]

I personally don't need any improvement of making HQ easier.
I just need the HQ stats to be worth crafting for.
There is no sense of accomplishment when you see everyone running around with HQ gears...

I don't even mind if HQ is make harder to get provided the stats improvement is worth it compared to current stats.

[tachikoma]

We don't need easier HQ. The rate is fine the way it is now. If you mean all HQ material = HQ finished item or part, then that's very welcome.
Other than that, keep the current rate.

Just to be fair they NERFED HQ HARDCORE when 1.20 was released. After 1.19 I could HQ nearly 50% of the time with really good materia'd gear going for max touchups then 1.20 and now its very very hard to HQ. I just want to see a noticable bonus to my HQ rate when I equip the best gear. I should be encouraged to wear the proper gear not just for a little bump in success but also for HQ hope this is incorporated in to the changes.

[urhryu]

To be frank, if HQ mats guarantee HQ product. Soon, you will see lot's of HQ around soon. Nothing special.
But that is just me.

[Lerend]

To be frank, if HQ mats guarantee HQ product. Soon, you will see lot's of HQ around soon. Nothing special.
But that is just me.

Honestly, with the way the materia system works we'll NEED more HQ product in the market. It was fine in XI that HQs were super rare because once one was created, it only left the market if someone either quit the game and took it with them, or someone was banned with it. In order to keep them scarce, the number of them available had to be kept low via the crafting mechanics.

However, FFXIV has the materia system, where min/max-ers and endgame players are constantly blowing up 30+ items while hoping for a double meld. So yes, there will be a lot more HQ results floating around, but its the double+ melded HQs that fill that "special" role, as the majority of the base HQs are going to wind up exploding during melds anyway. It just makes sense from a risk vs reward vs unmeldable U/U balance standpoint to make the HQs easier to create because we're going to blow most of them up and immediately take them out of the market anyway. Double Meld HQ > U/U > Single Meld HQ ~= Double Meld Normal > Single Meld Normal seems like a pretty solid hierarchy of gear quality to me.

[urhryu]

Honestly, with the way the materia system works we'll NEED more HQ product in the market. It was fine in XI that HQs were super rare because once one was created, it only left the market if someone either quit the game and took it with them, or someone was banned with it. In order to keep them scarce, the number of them available had to be kept low via the crafting mechanics.

However, FFXIV has the materia system, where min/max-ers and endgame players are constantly blowing up 30+ items while hoping for a double meld. So yes, there will be a lot more HQ results floating around, but its the double+ melded HQs that fill that "special" role, as the majority of the base HQs are going to wind up exploding during melds anyway. It just makes sense from a risk vs reward vs unmeldable U/U balance standpoint to make the HQs easier to create because we're going to blow most of them up and immediately take them out of the market anyway. Double Meld HQ > U/U > Single Meld HQ ~= Double Meld Normal > Single Meld Normal seems like a pretty solid hierarchy of gear quality to me.

Said it's just me, I prefer harder HQ (scarce) and double/triple meld (even harder).
If HQ is going to have better stats after patch 1.21 compared to the current broken one, then it should be harder or at least keep it the same as before, which makes more sense to me.

Unless we are talking about easier HQ final product with all HQ mats, but the HQ mats should be hard to procure, probably harder than current one. Those HQ mats that can be farmed are not consider hard imo.

[Ushug]

dont make it easier, just make it clear and worthwile to aim for

[Cthulhu]

I don't know if we want to see HQ mats = hq product. However I would like to see a much better correlation between 100+ quality when finished with a synth and well a HQ result. Using HQ mats would be the best way of getting that quality number up because you start with more durability.

[zzapp]

Anyone who has sunk considerable amount of time into crafting knows the current system is just plain garbage. The RNG in the coding is a cruel joke:

- Crafting stats and compentency are, for the most part. ignored. I can achieve the same level of success with no crafting gear or SB gear as I can with my crafting gear.

- HQ results totally random. Quality 400, quality 400, quality 400 = 3 NQ. Quality 30 = HQ

- Totally broken abilities. I fail more often with abilities such as Greater Calling than I do with no abilities at all.

- A system designed to periodically go into what I call a 'rage mode' where all of a sudden you fail 6-8 attempts in a row, no matter what.

- A system that's designed with a higher failure rate, first attempt, on any of the new, meaningful 50+ recipes. I bet first attempt fails run near 70%, which is a lousy coding cop-out to limit HQ synths.

- A system that has zero regard for melding success, as it relates to crafting competency and gear.

- etc. etc.

I'm happy that SE is finally getting around to addressing this, since crafting is such a very large part of this game. I am concerned, however, where some of the changes seem to be going. For example, if HQ is solely going to be based on raw materials content, with no consideration given to compentency (read that level) and gear, imo, that's just not right. Specifically, if a level 35 crafter can HQ a level 40 recipe with the same success rate as a level 50, then I take issue with that.

I'm of the silly notion that success rate for basic NQ synths, HQ, melding, etc. should be very much affected by competency and gear, and while I clearly understand there is some need for RNG in the coding, until there is a direct relationship with this in the coding, crafting will continue to be a broken POS.