Remove role action Rescue : only a tool for trolling and poor gameplay

[Accolades]

I completely agree this ability should be removed they should never make abilities that control the actions of another character in any mmo. On my healer I will never use this ability and pretend its not even there. The moment anyone uses it on me regardless of the situation they will be reported.

[Bsrking5]

Don't ranged physical have arms length for the same standard knockback immunity? I think all roles have it in one form or another. Though yeah, they don't get to dash around like dancers do.

They do now, you are replying to something that was true at the time but isn't anymore.

[Penthea]

Rescue should be opt in or opt out. I get really annoyed when random healers rescue me thinking they know better. (99% of the time, they don't.)

In pugs I have only been rescued into aoes that killed me. Only in premade groups has it ever been used to save me. Rescue is a potentially great tool but it's often intentionally misused. I'm very on the fence about it because of this.

[Packetdancer]

I think the reason people feel so fervently about Rescue is that it is disorienting to be repositioned, and sometimes (if you felt like you had it well in-hand) it feels like someone was chiding you or didn't trust you. (And it's almost worse when someone bumped Rescue by mistake.) Worse still, Rescue's behavior is wonky at best, especially given this game's snapshot mechanics. Which also means that like 75% of the time when you try to use Rescue to save someone, you're going to fail to do so anyway, and will simply pull their corpse along the floor.

Which only sort of adds insult to injury, because the person still dies and they felt like you were treating them like a toddler on a safety leash.

That said, my take on this remains, as always, that I've seen Rescue used to troll less often than I've seen it used with good intention. I grant my sample set may be skewed because I'm a healer main so a lot of the time I am the only one in a light party with the option to use Rescue, but I've actually been maining tank through EW so far (as a favor to a fellow healer-main friend) and I've still yet to see Rescue used for trollish purposes this expansion.

Despite the fact that it is janky as heck, the reason I as a healer main appreciate Rescue is because it is literally a cost-saving measure for me. If I see someone standing in the middle of the room and about to die to the Behemoth's meteor strike, or Amon's "Curtain Call", or not on the floaty circles when Xande's about to obliterate anything on the floor, that's a 2400 MP expenditure for me (or my co-healer) about to happen. (Unless I'm on WHM and have a Thin Air charge left.) If I can get the Rescue off correctly, that's 2400 MP I am not about to have to spend (and a Weakness debuff we don't have to deal with, if it's content where the party DPS is remotely relevant).

And if the timing isn't correct, the situation -- as regards my MP, anyway -- at least isn't worse than if I hadn't hit Rescue.

Now, I still rarely use Rescue outside of the Crystal Tower alliance raids (pull folks to shelter) or Shadows of Mhach raids (pull sprouts who've never seen a stack marker and run off with it back to the party) because the timing on it is wonky at best, and because people are often upset about it. So if I'm in PF and I see a DPS greeding a mechanic, I will tend to assume they have a plan to get to safety. I am often wrong, but I still treat this as my default assumption.

(Mind you, if they fail a mechanic repeatedly due to greeding it, after a certain point I will assume that I am their plan to get to safety, and then I will start using Rescue accordingly.)

But aside from being useful to haul tunnel-vision DPS or lost sprouts out of danger, there's another thing I feel is worth keeping in mind: it is one of the only, if not the only, abilities that is unique to healers in this game. Raising someone, SMN and RDM can do that. Esuna? BRD has their own version. Mitigations are plentiful this expansion, and there's even options to heal as things other than a healer. Heck, in the level 90 story dungeon the other day, the healer and reaper went down at about 40% on both the first and second bosses, and I (as gunbreaker) was able to keep myself and the black mage alive through careful use of Excogi- er, I mean, Heart of Corundum, along with Aurora and Superbolide.

So if anyone wanted to take Rescue away, I would say that healers need something to replace it -- and it should really be something that is specific to healers. And ideally something that gives me at least a snowball's hope in Thanalan of avoiding a 2400 MP expenditure when I can see the impending death hanging over the head of the oblivious DPS.

(Also, Sturm, why did you revive a Stormblood-era thread? I know for a fact there's at least one Shadowbringers-era variant of this thread!)

[SturmChurro]

I really doubt you have been experiencing bad rescues more often. Besides there's a difference between helpful threads, titanmen threads and threads with outdated/incorrect information.

Check my post history. I have literally been complaining about it for the past few days. I got rescued on cd in a dungeon the other day. I have been seeing it being used quite often recently. Why would I even be lying about it?

[Evergrey]

A good rescue if what makes the difference between a good and a bad healer.
Anyone can press a healing spell button but not all can do a good rescue when needed.

[Kyrj]

Sucks to be you, but no. Rescue is extremely useful.

[Viirin]

I wouldn’t miss the skill if it was gone. People have saved me from getting hit a few times, but there’s also times when people have used it on me when they shouldn’t have… pulling me from places I actually wanted to be to somewhere I didn’t.

The worst case for me it happened 3 times in one dungeon and I was so frustrated I had to call the guy out on it. He claimed he accidentally hit the key… I mean, doubtful, but if you accidentally hit it 3 times, maybe move it to another key. In reality I think he was new to the dungeon and just shouldn’t have been trying to “help” me.

It’s frustrating enough I’d not mourn it’s removal.

[NanaWiloh]

You should have reported him. He admitted to doing it on purpose, saying sorry does not change what he did.

[SturmChurro]

(Also, Sturm, why did you revive a Stormblood-era thread? I know for a fact there's at least one Shadowbringers-era variant of this thread!)

Sorry, I missed this part of this post.

These?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/428085
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/419783
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/428665

I posted in this one, because I recalled this one, and it also has many pages of previous discussion. I did not presume it was a "troll" thread or whatever else.

I thought this portion was relevant to my own issues, and the annoyance of it being used so often lately has had me considering the removal request more and more.

So far, what I've seen Rescue used for :
- Trolling (80% of the time) : pulling people into AOE, pits or breaking openers. I honestly don't care if you like to do it between friends, but doing it to strangers is plain rude. (...)
- A genuine will to pull people out of danger (19% of the time)... that actually fails and kill them. (...) Learn about LAG dude ! (...)
- A successful rescue : < 1%