Crafting from Retainer INVENTORY?

[Khalithar]

We should be able to craft directly from our retainer inventory and not being able to is one of many of the little inconveniences about crafting. For example, LET ME SWAP CRAFTERS WHILE STILL IN THE CRAFTING WINDOW WITHOUT HAVING TO CLOSE IT SE.

But anyway, despite the fact that I'd love to be able to do that, SE already said that we are unable to craft from the retainer inventories due to technical reasons, I can't remember the specifics but bear with me here, it's something like the items in our retainers are stored on a separate space to our inventory and they can't have one connect to the other because it would cause too much stress on the hardware.

[NephthysVasudan]

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Keep in mind that you need to think bigger numbers in terms of "load".

Take the total number of players in FFXIV worldwide.
Times 2.....or up to the maximum retainers one can have.
Times the number of items in storage.

At this point your brains should exploded.

Storage is not the problem in terms of hardware....its the handling of said data...and communication.
Again...this leads to major exploitation issues.


MY only gripe in this crafting system is the inability to pull a search result from the GATHERING log....not the crafting log. But alas....QoL seems a distant memory/thought these days.

[Skivvy]

MY only gripe in this crafting system is the inability to pull a search result from the GATHERING log....not the crafting log. But alas....QoL seems a distant memory/thought these days.

I may be misunderstanding this, but you are able to search for an item from the gathering log, at least for mining/botany. Anglers appear to be SOL still as we cannot search from the log, and there is no quick search for fish/locations. Was there another issue?

[StouterTaru]

I may be misunderstanding this, but you are able to search for an item from the gathering log, at least for mining/botany. Anglers appear to be SOL still as we cannot search from the log, and there is no quick search for fish/locations. Was there another issue?

You can't search for the gathering log entry from the crafting log. Ex open iron ingot recipe, right click iron ore and select "search gathering log" or something to that effect, would be a nice QoL add.

[Talraen]

You can't search for the gathering log entry from the crafting log. Ex open iron ingot recipe, right click iron ore and select "search gathering log" or something to that effect, would be a nice QoL add.

Skivvy is correct, this is already an option. I believe the text is something like "Search for item by gathering method." As he said, you can't search for fish, but you can absolutely search for mining or botany items right now.

EDIT: I was wrong about this one. Shows what I know!

[PotatoWafflez]

Skivvy is correct, this is already an option. I believe the text is something like "Search for item by gathering method." As he said, you can't search for fish, but you can absolutely search for mining or botany items right now.

This is false, while there is a search by gathering method it does not work with the crafting log UI everything defaults to search by crafting method regardless if it comes from a gathering node or is another crafted item.

You can search for items by gathering method for things like the custom delivery UI though.

[Talraen]

This is false, while there is a search by gathering method it does not work with the crafting log UI everything defaults to search by crafting method regardless if it comes from a gathering node or is another crafted item.

You can search for items by gathering method for things like the custom delivery UI though.

Huh. Well now you have me doubting myself. I'll check when I get home, but I think you're right. My apologies!

I'd rather have the crafting bag from ESO+ (separate inventory for mats only) but since they are locking inventory to an app sub I doubt that would happen. One can dream I guess.

The one issue with having an inventory for materials only is that there is no bright line between "materials" and everything else. Many older items are used to craft "upgraded" items, and many food materials are consumable as well as being materials, for example. This would be by no means impossible to work around, but since it would immediately collapse the retainer rentals and dramatically change the game, I don't see it ever happening. Maybe in the next MMO.

[NephthysVasudan]

You can't search for the gathering log entry from the crafting log. Ex open iron ingot recipe, right click iron ore and select "search gathering log" or something to that effect, would be a nice QoL add.

This..soooo much. - Right now its Search recipie or something generic that will only pull crafting log results..NEVER gathering log results.

If I wantted to search say Cobalt Ignot and figure out where the bloody hell Cobalt ore can be found - id like a gathering log result...not "no results found" :P

So now i have to close out every damn window..and go to gathering log....and you get the picture.

[KisaiTenshi]

Wont happen.....it would make macro'ing crafting a total run away thing.

As for searching for items...you just right click...and you get told where it is..even the tab.

This is why you should craft near a retainer bell....makes it easy.

Yes..its annoying...but what makes things easier...can be exploited.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

The technical answer is that when you do "search" the game queries the server and sends back a response from each retainer. It doesn't load the retainer into the game environment. That's also why when you search for an item that is also available as HQ it will look for both. The game client, for the purposes of crafting doesn't know if you have it, thus can not proceed, and can not summon the correct retainer since it may be in more than one and the game doesn't let you summon all the retainers at once.

[Talraen]

The technical answer is that when you do "search" the game queries the server and sends back a response from each retainer. It doesn't load the retainer into the game environment. That's also why when you search for an item that is also available as HQ it will look for both. The game client, for the purposes of crafting doesn't know if you have it, thus can not proceed, and can not summon the correct retainer since it may be in more than one and the game doesn't let you summon all the retainers at once.

This is not entirely correct, the search is even more limited. Whenever you summon a retainer (or maybe open their inventory), the game locally caches the inventory contents, and the search uses those cached results. This is only noticeable if you play on multiple PCs or consoles, but it comes up a lot if you do. So if you have a stack of iron ore on a retainer, move it to your inventory, then log in on a different system and /isearch for iron ore, it will tell you that you have double the amount you actually do, because it doesn't know the retainer doesn't have the iron ore anymore.

That said, your overall point (that the game doesn't actually know with certainty that you have the item) is spot on.