Thread: Realistic 5.0 Jobs

Originally Posted by Mahrze

Chemist would be a good way to approach healing without MP, but likely would be too tied to ALC for resources.

Not at all. Call it Chemist, but keep it as an MP based healer. The idea could be that Chemist are trained in the art of aether manipulation, able to construct concoctions based on how they manipulate their aether.

The concoctions would be their main gimmick and the general concept would be foresight and understanding the content with the handicap that with each concoction (up to 3) your Max MP is reduced meaning you have less magic power to work with. Another concept they could add so that refresh isn't a must have is reducing the potency of refresh based on the amount of conctions active, 75% 50% 0%.

Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Thavnair seems like a good origin point for BLU and DNC

Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

And as Thavnair is supposedly the middle eastern area on Hydalyn, that could have Dancer as an arabian aesthetic...

:3

Seconded on both accounts. If Thavnair is going to be the next big area we explore on Hydaelyn, it has both DNC and BLU written all over it as both jobs have a very middle eastern/Egyptian vibe going for both of them. The community seems to be in favor of DNC as healer and BLU as tank, and it all just fits. I know there are a lot of players who want GEO, but I think DNC and BLU would make the majority of the playerbase happy as they seem to be the highest in demand.

I would believe these are the two most realistic and practical jobs to bring into FFXIV for the next expansion. I think the only way SE could piss people off by bringing them in is by making them a role other than what the majority of players want.

huh? i thought Geomancer supposed to be a DPS not a healer? Well if it is anything like FFXI... Well anything can happen but I rather have Geo as DPS and dancer as a healer

And then next year we’ll try to poor heaps of requests into something else, and repeat the cycle over and over again..

I wish people could see that it’s not just fan requests we need to concider. It’s what the developers want too.

Um..>We're *aware* it's based on what the developers see as viable. That doesn't mean we can't wish for things.

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

And then next year we’ll try to poor heaps of requests into something else, and repeat the cycle over and over again..

I wish people could see that it’s not just fan requests we need to concider. It’s what the developers want too.

Developers want you to send them money while they are seeping cocktails on Hawaii doing nothing.

However, that's not how it works. Businesses need to adapt to the customers providing the customers with what they want (or at least be good enough at making people believe they want something that's useless to them) for maximizing gains or with what the customers appreciate/accept for a positive balance, but not necessarily good. And countless games were shelved because they did provide a "positive balance" but below the companies expectations.


Developers are at work. If they are told to develop this or that class by their superiors, they will have two choices. Develop the desired class or quit the job. Of course, ideally they would be given a significant deal of freedom in building the game (especially since nothing ever works well once the accountants start meddling in it), but they absolutely cannot ignore significant voices from the player base (if reasonable).

Originally Posted by Mahrze

Chemist would be a good way to approach healing without MP, but likely would be too tied to ALC for resources.

Nah, CHM would get their potions from the same place BRDs get their arrows. No need to tie to ALC, any more than BRD is tied to CRP.

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Chemist would be a better option for a non caster healer. It just makes more sense than dancer. How would dancer honestly heal without some form of magic?

Inspiration! Seriously, it's not hard to throw together a bunch of pseudo-scientific claptrap that would be laughable in real life but plausible in a fantasy universe. "The DNC's inspiring dance excites the target's chi pathways, accelerating the body's natural healing ability..." and so on and so forth. It's all flavor, and it behaves exactly the same way as a magical cure spell would, but it's not magic, any more than a spear wound is "magic" just because it does the same thing a fireball does.

I do expect, however, that if we get DNC, it will not be a melee healer. It will stand at a distance, just like existing healers, because SE has implemented mechanics in the game that expect healers to be at a distance (for example, Nisi, in Alexander 4 - boy, would THAT be awkward in a party with two melee-range healers!). I suspect that folks hoping for a melee healer like in FFXI will be disappointed! A chakram might be a good weapon for a DNC to perform ranged attacks.

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I do expect, however, that if we get DNC, it will not be a melee healer. It will stand at a distance, just like existing healers, because SE has implemented mechanics in the game that expect healers to be at a distance (for example, Nisi, in Alexander 4 - boy, would THAT be awkward in a party with two melee-range healers!). I suspect that folks hoping for a melee healer like in FFXI will be disappointed! A chakram might be a good weapon for a DNC to perform ranged attacks.

This makes me sad, because I didn't consider it, but you're right. Perhaps dancer could have a melee stance and a ranged stance.