Realistic 5.0 Jobs

**Daeriion_Aeradiir** · 06-04-2018 09:24 PM

Speaking realistically based on hints they're dropped this expansion so far: GEO is a high contender since they've reference it in a side story as well as in one of the other job quests, but based on the 4.3 scenario...

It's pretty early to tell at this point, but the wandering mercenary could be previewing a new gunblade-based job, doubly considering that the next expansion will be heading to Garlemald turf (barring major plot twists)

**TaranTatsuuchi** · 06-04-2018 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Corue

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

Might make me consider actually learning tanking in content other than dungeons...

**Awha** · 06-04-2018 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Corue

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

LOL while that would be awesome, I would be rather salty if Dancer became the evasion tank over ninja. Still would welcome it though even if that would be a pita to balance.

**Eloah** · 06-04-2018 11:14 PM

I'm an advocate for a GEO tank, using the elements to protect themselves and shield allies. GEO are very sturdy mages.

**jameseoakes** · 06-04-2018 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Awha

LOL while that would be awesome, I would be rather salty if Dancer became the evasion tank over ninja. Still would welcome it though even if that would be a pita to balance.

Why would Ninja have been a tank?

**Blueyes** · 06-04-2018 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ralts

I doubt that they'll add 2 healers though, and geomancers are being shown everywhere in this expansion.

The way I see it, Geomancer wouldn't be a healer, though. Traditionally, Geomancer has been very damage-oriented. The only cases I found of Geomancer having healing capabilities was FFXI and in FFVI where a character had a Dance command that borrowed elements from geomancy, but I would consider that latter example to be stronger support for Dancer to be a healer than Geomancer.

Looking at FFXIV, we have encountered a Geomancer that uses Conjurer animations, but I would advise against reading into animations too much. Because if taken too literal, then it means Alisaie briefly became a Gladiator towards the end of Heavensward. And although SE won't have jobs splitting from a single class anymore, Arcanist split off into two jobs that utilized magic in a similar manner, but through different roles. Healer and DPS. If Geomancer were to borrow elements from Conjurer, through lore, it would likely use those elements in a way that is different from how White Mage uses them.

**Talraen** · 06-04-2018 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Corue

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

I don't think an evasion tank would work inside FFXIV's system. Unless you're "evading" a certain percentage of damage which happens to very closely resemble the damage reduced by armor and traditional tank abilities.

This game has a problem where its design really doesn't allow for wildly different tanks or healers. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, by the way, as I think it's led to a much more fun overall combat system than would exist if the classes were wildly different. But it's nonetheless true, and it's only going to become more obvious as they add more tanks and healers. Even DPS only have so much room for variety.

Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Why would Ninja have been a tank?

Because it was in FFXI. Not by design, mind you, at least not at first. But FFXI Ninja has an ability that lets them automatically dodge a certain number of attacks, and combined with getting as much evasion as possible and a few other factors, it made tanking with Ninja not only viable but optimal for a large portion of the game's existence. In related news, Warrior was originally designed to be a tank in FFXI, but they gave up on that entirely after a while. For most of the game's heyday there were two tank jobs (Paladin being the other) and neither was a starting class. Because FFXI is weird.

**jameseoakes** · 06-04-2018 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Talraen

Because it was in FFXI. Not by design, mind you, at least not at first. But FFXI Ninja has an ability that lets them automatically dodge a certain number of attacks, and combined with getting as much evasion as possible and a few other factors, it made tanking with Ninja not only viable but optimal for a large portion of the game's existence. In related news, Warrior was originally designed to be a tank in FFXI, but they gave up on that entirely after a while. For most of the game's heyday there were two tank jobs (Paladin being the other) and neither was a starting class. Because FFXI is weird.

I was always under the impression that Ninja was a tank in 11 as people cheesed a badly made mechanic the devs never fixed.

**Eloah** · 06-04-2018 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I was always under the impression that Ninja was a tank in 11 as people cheesed a badly made mechanic the devs never fixed.

Didn't they never fix it csuse the devs empraced it? Making Ninja the tank and Samurai the DPS.

**MOZZYSTAR** · 06-05-2018 12:20 AM

I really think they should make dancer a healer role, otherwise it might come off as similar to PUG/MNK. It'd probably be excellent one for debuffs to contrast with AST's buffs, but it depends on how they make it work. Either way, hoping DNC is a healer.

Because of Raubahn and how he fights (or used to fight), my guess is that he's a BLU (lots of monster-like aoes), so BLU tank would probably have two swords. I can't remember if Zenos sometimes used two swords or if he only used one, but he might fit the bill, too? Might learn specific enemy moves from primals and such, like how summoner earned certain egis? (I don't play SMN so I could be wrong.)

I think the most likely/realistic DPS class would be spoilers

gunblade, because of how they zoomed in the Ascian killer's weapon, clearly showing off the barrel of a gun on his sword.

As cool as the DPS potential is, I'm really hoping for BLU and DNC.

And I don't want GEO healer. It would be way too similar to WHM with how it sounded in the AST questlines.

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