Lack of content on patch release

[Remedi]

first of all the clears of kefka savage were said to be 10% of playerbase as such 10% can do ultimate, maybe 1% can only clear but you can still try it's not forbidden, also the streams on twicth are again high as such there's quite a draw to ultimate even if you are not partecipating directly.

Second The splitting of patch content is not done by SE only, as such it's not a problem that is present only in FFXIV, since it's done because the content creation cannot meet the content consumption rate and we had complaint in the past that past 2 weeks of patch release there was nothing else to do, SE has opted to do what other games are doing right now in the sector.

If anything SE's problem has always been catering too much to the complaint about grindy content, because like it or not grinding is what really makes MMOs going.( gear checks and timegates works too btw).

I'll repeat myself again so I'm not misunderstood, with this I'm not saying I'm endorsing the practice, I'ìm giving out context and informations of why it's happening, which is important to make a decision.
Just as I've said that there are some ppll that like the staggered release of content, I can understand their point of wiew and I disagree on their reasoning because of that, not just because I don't like the system.

[Remedi]

Again with the FFXI argument, shall we drop it? They said they wouldn't pursue it since inception since they tried that mindset with 1.0 and it didn't work.
And don't tell me 1.0 wasn't like FFXI at all, because they said they used the same mindset when they created 1.0 so It's no my word it's the devs words on it

I get that ppl like horizzontal progression, but it won't happen and quite frankly the market is not really built to support that anymore.

[Asiragan]

And don't tell me 1.0 wasn't like FFXI at all, because they said they used the same mindset when they created 1.0 so It's no my word it's the devs words on it

It was not the "ffxi's mindset" that made 1.0 not work. It was the incompetence of the developers in charge of the project. So many things were wrong with this mess of a MMO, that one can wonder how this could come up from a firm that have a 10+ years old successful MMO for experience.

I get that ppl like horizzontal progression, but it won't happen and quite frankly the market is not really built to support that anymore.

Even WoW, that was well known for its vertical progression, did put some horizontale one with Legion. Plus, the developers from S.E. should take risks nonetheless because sometimes "the market" doesn't even know what it want.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Rogue-like dungeon crawler content, like Palace of the Dead
The new one should be coming soon

....

Indeed, that is another example of a type of self sustaining content.

I used PvP as the example because it's easier to state how facing off against other people provides varied experiences.

[Remedi]

It was not the "ffxi's mindset" that made 1.0 not work. It was the incompetence of the developers in charge of the project. So many things were wrong with this mess of a MMO, that one can wonder how this could come up from a firm that have a 10+ years old successful MMO for experience.




Even WoW, that was well known for its vertical progression, did put some horizontale one with Legion. Plus, the developers from S.E. should take risks nonetheless because sometimes "the market" doesn't even know what it want.

1) watch the documentary about 1.0, they firmly explain that they used the same mindset they used when creating FFXI for 1.0 and Koji-Fox says that the devs didn't realize that time changed and that experience was no longer valid, because they did not look to the market of that time (i.e. never played any MMOs)

2) What you mean by horizzontal progression in Legion? Do you talk about legendaries? Nobody likes the system because they are mandatory, they are recognized by the devs as a failure and as such are beign removed for the next expansion also your choice on them in mostly fixed there are rarely moments were an underused legendary is ever usfeul. The extra budget trinkets and gear? devs considered them an error and nerfed/made obscenely OP raid trinkets.
The new relic system? Hardly loved by anyone since the RNG is a big factor, but that is becoming useless next expansion too.

Azerite armor in BFA are of the same type, the power I've seen in them are pretty minor and I'm sure that raid Azerite gear will have tier set level procs as such you'll be funnelled more towards that.

Problem is that both FFXIV and WoW are not built around an horizzontal progression. The combat is simply too much dps focused in both games and that is a killer for horizzontal progression and I think ppl would want a meaningful horizzontal progression not a half assed one am I right?

[Asiragan]

1) watch the documentary about 1.0, they firmly explain that they used the same mindset they used when creating FFXI for 1.0 and Koji-Fox says that the devs didn't realize that time changed and that experience was no longer valid, because they did not look to the market of that time (i.e. never played any MMOs)

Read again. You can make a game with the mindset of the best game ever, if the development team got no clue about whatever they are doing the game would still be shitty. And the 1.0 team had absolutly no idea about whatever they were doing. Koji-Fox can say that experience doesn't hold anything if he want, but the fact is that it's not outdated mechanics that made 1.0 fail, but pure game design failure that even MMO from 20 years ago wouldn't have made.

Most players from FFXI who came into 1.0 took a long look at it, laughed (or cried) and just turned their back to the game.

What you mean by horizzontal progression in Legion? Do you talk about legendaries?

No, my point wasn't to say that WoW is better than FFXIV. I hate how they implemented this too. But the fact is that even them knew they needed horizontal progression and sooner or later FFXIV will need some too.

And let's be honest, Blizzard were always really bad at balancing their game. Whether it's item or skills/spell they always seems to balance everything like they have no clue. And that point doesn't seems to have changed with the last expansion.

Still, one of the most appreciated feature of Legion was Mythic dungeons. And without horizontal progression it would probably be dead on arrival, like most of FFXIV content released these past years. No, I do no want a half assed one, but this game need change to it. If not, 5.0 will just be a reskin of Stormblood. Which is a reskin of Heavensward.


Then again, if I wanted WoW progression I would just go and play WoW...

[Larsille]

if anyone thinks this game has no content you either A: have no life and enough money to play all day B: youre a student who only plays FFXIV all day or C: he/she is lying.

[MageBlack]

if anyone thinks this game has no content you either A: have no life and enough money to play all day B: youre a student who only plays FFXIV all day or C: he/she is lying.

or D: Have no clue what this thread is about

[Hestzhyen]

if anyone thinks this game has no content you either A: have no life and enough money to play all day B: youre a student who only plays FFXIV all day or C: he/she is lying.

Or I have been playing for over four years and, even with my limited playtime nowadays, find the new content is more of the same that I've seen since ARR 2.0 and has no long-lasting value...

[Alleo]

if anyone thinks this game has no content you either A: have no life and enough money to play all day B: youre a student who only plays FFXIV all day or C: he/she is lying.

Oh I do have things to do. I mean I recently needed to farm 1.3k coke for certain crafts and before that I gathered thousands of other mats because I wanted to craft certain items. But if we use the argument that there are x achievements you can do and you can only complain if you have done it all...well they would ever only need to release that one expansion every few years and be done with it. Quite sure that most people would hate that.

Its about new content which is normally provided with a patch and the OP has the problem that they are done with what the patch offered to them and now we all need to wait for true new content for another few weeks or months.