Been running Ridorana Lighthouse the whole week and...

[Penthea]

I understand the different substats, however, the worst ilevel 360 gear (in terms of secondary stats) is good enough for you to clear savage content and get 370 gear. New and casual players were clearing savage (at lesat 5 and 6, dunno about 7) wearing 345-350 gear.

This doesn't really change that some alliance loot is better than 370 pieces. If you're doing savage then you know yourself that in that environment you try to squeeze out as much as possible so min-maxing becomes the norm.

[Seddrinth]

This doesn't really change that some alliance loot is better than 370 pieces. If you're doing savage then you know yourself that in that environment you try to squeeze out as much as possible so min-maxing becomes the norm.

Which alliance pieces are better than 370 piece? I know tanks like crafted accessories but not aware of any BiS pieces from Lighthouse. I could be wrong though, I'm very casual. I don't think the savage content in this game is tuned to players needing min-max. That has not been my experience.

[Penthea]

I don't think the savage content in this game is tuned to players needing min-max.

No it's not but if you can get better gear why wouldn't you? It makes it easier to kill bosses and if you're a speed running team you need as much as you can get.

[Seddrinth]

No it's not but if you can get better gear why wouldn't you? It makes it easier to kill bosses and if you're a speed running team you need as much as you can get.

That's true but you mentioned that some alliance pieces are better than 370 pieces. I looked through various BiS worksheets and asked some good players who have cleared o8s and I have not been able to find anything or anyone that can tell me one alliances piece that is better than 370. Could you tell me what this gear is? I would be very curious to know, if this can help me out in clearing some content.

[Penthea]

That's true but you mentioned that some alliance pieces are better than 370 pieces. I looked through various BiS worksheets and asked some good players who have cleared o8s and I have not been able to find anything or anyone that can tell me one alliances piece that is better than 370. Could you tell me what this gear is? I would be very curious to know, if this can help me out in clearing some content.

I can only speak for myself. The alliance boots are better for me than the 370 omega boots. Marginally so I admit, but still better. I'm not at the stage in which I need all the extra hp you can get, but that may happen in the future so I have kept the 370 boots just in case. Right now I'm trying to get as much crit and det as possible.

edit: bear in mind there isn't a single way to gear any healer because this heavily depends on whether you're speed running or not, if you're the off-healer in a speed running team, if you're essentially a dps and act as a back-up healer, or if both healers on the team heal together. So in short, BiS isn't the same for everyone.

[Usho]

The way I see it folks, the crap gear will be outdated once the new Omega raid comes out. Heck it's already outdated now that you can upgrade mendacity gear to i370. Most of this raid's gear stats are meh compared to sigmascape gear, all it is, is just a slight ilvl increase and nothing more than that. Imagine if SE made All Greed a thing in 4 man content like dungeons....there are many players I'm sure that would be royally pissed off if SE made that change. Just go for the coin and upgrade your mendacity tome gear. It's gonna get outdated eventually too, like the majority of gear in this game, so it's nothing to worry over haha.

[Penthea]

It's gonna get outdated eventually too, like the majority of gear in this game, so it's nothing to worry over haha.

Higher ilvl doesn't automatically mean better gear unless the ilvl jump is huge. You only want to entirely concentrate on just higher ilvl if you want to max out your hp as much as possible. Very few raiding environments require the maximum possible hp, and most of us are not all-star players who can make even the worst gear produce great numbers. Most of us need to balance our secondaries with care. Nevermind how some classes suffer more than others if they don't have enough of certain stats.

Also whether gear of a specific ilvl is in or out of date is meaningless to someone wants gear for glam. Wanting glam gear isn't something that goes out of date.

[BillyKaplan]

And yes I have used a combination of crafted gear, sigmascape normal, and mendacity gear to gear my alt jobs.

Good for you! It's always nice to have options. But as explained prior, not everyone has access to them so telling them to gear up via these other means doesn't address the problem.

Higher ilvl Also whether gear of a specific ilvl is in or out of date is meaningless to someone wants gear for glam.

+1 on that, but also consider that just because higher tier gear exists doesn't mean you can access it. Many people are hurt by this change because they can't use Rabanastre to gear up to gain access to later content. Creation is noticeably easier to farm than Mendacity but it still takes time. This debate would've been completely different if they had used it only for the Lighthouse, but alas, they didn't.

[Alleo]

I do raid on alt jobs including savage content and I have geared up alt jobs with the different methods I've mentioned- mendacity, crafted gear/weapons, sigma normal. To me this is just a game and I'm just gearing up for fun. I'm not going to cry if I lose a roll on a piece of gear.

So if you already did that with the need option still there, why exactly is the all greed a better change? It seemingly changes nothing for you because if you use the other jobs in savage too and use all the other methods to gear up you seemingly dont really need the other gear in the raids that much. Which means that it should be a neutral change for you but a bad one for all those that need it to level up their main job because they dont have ex primals, savage or crafted stuff to gear up.

I am really confused by your view.

Also we are not whining..we are giving SE the feedback and show them how far people will use the greed roll and that it messed up the gear for others. Please stop seeing negative feedback as crying or something like that.

[Rogatum]

SE this is why you do not make blind changes, when it comes to topics such as this either side can justify their position and either one will be hard pressed to say one is wrong and the other is right. SE next time please think before you make a change, this rage feast would not be a thing if the change never saw the light of the day.