Magic Melee DPS category?

[EdwinLi]

I am in support for a Magic Melee Job especially a DPS focused one.

While it seems most people are just saying No to it because "We have ninja" or other reasons that make sense to them, I have been in support of a actual Magic Melee Job for a long time now.

While Ninja is nice, it is the matter of aesthetic design for the Job that is in concern. Ninja "magic" is just Ninjutsu which is basically the ninja means for Range Magic Attacks.

A Magic melee Job is something I see more that use Magic in a form of melee attacks through infusing magic into their weapons to empower their melee attacks similar to characters like Charlemagne from Fate/ Extella Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r3I67dpCz0

and other magic swordsman (or etc) type Jobs in other games that focus the use of infusing magic into their weapon for melee range attacks.

Currently the Melee Jobs currently focus is to use their physical strength to perform their high damage (even Ninja need proper physical strength from their Dexterity to strike harder on weak points) but a Magic Melee Job should be more focused on infusing Magic into their weapons for powerful attacks instead.

[Jhett_Magnum]

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This is what I was going for! Perhaps people aren’t on board because I have fully fleshed out my idea, but I do intend on expanding this though!

[wereotter]

They missed the opportunity to make a magical melee with red mage. I had hoped, and assumed it would be more fencer based sharing ninja’s scouting gear and just having it’s magical attacks scale off dexterity, just like ninja’s do.

[Jonnycbad]

They missed the opportunity to make a magical melee with red mage. I had hoped, and assumed it would be more fencer based sharing ninja’s scouting gear and just having it’s magical attacks scale off dexterity, just like ninja’s do.

Problems:
1) Having cast times while in melee range is analogous to being a melee with animation lock on every GCD. This would be a huge issue for surviving mechanics while keeping up DPS. Unless a RDM's spells had no cast time, at which point they're basically just a melee but with "magic-looking animations" with a 3y range like melee GCD.
2) Mages have lower physical defense and HP than melee because they don't have to move as often and fewer mechanics target them. If a close-range mage were to be made, there would need to be some adjustments made to their equipment or perhaps a new class of gear for them that had high INT but also decent VIT like striking/maiming. That would mean another denominator when gear drops, as we already have 1/6 or 2/6 drop rate with Fending, Healing, Casting, Striking, Scouting, and Maiming, and adding another class of gear for magic-melee would be a 1/7 or 2/7 drop rate on equipment from raids.

[wereotter]

Problems:
1) Having cast times while in melee range is analogous to being a melee with animation lock on every GCD. This would be a huge issue for surviving mechanics while keeping up DPS. Unless a RDM's spells had no cast time, at which point they're basically just a melee but with "magic-looking animations" with a 3y range like melee GCD.
2) Mages have lower physical defense and HP than melee because they don't have to move as often and fewer mechanics target them. If a close-range mage were to be made, there would need to be some adjustments made to their equipment or perhaps a new class of gear for them that had high INT but also decent VIT like striking/maiming. That would mean another denominator when gear drops, as we already have 1/6 or 2/6 drop rate with Fending, Healing, Casting, Striking, Scouting, and Maiming, and adding another class of gear for magic-melee would be a 1/7 or 2/7 drop rate on equipment from raids.

If a Red Mage, by my original description, was using scouting gear, then your argument about defenses and vitality is null as the stats would be identical to ninja, and like ninja, magic doesn't have to be based off INT. Ninja has it's magic attacks based off DEX, paladin has its magic attacks based off STR, and all healers have their magic attacks based off MND.

I don't know exactly how it all would work in practice, but if red mage was, as I was hoping, primarily a fencer and using spells as a secondary form of damage, think how samurai works to build up sens then having a cast time to use them up, then you've got a melee DPS that can their attacks deal magic damage, as opposed to piercing, that could have some other unique quirks. Obviously that's not how the job was implemented in the end, which is why I also said they missed the opportunity for a magical melee when they designed the job.

[LeoLupinos]

I've developed a Job whitin this "Category".
They use a new type of skill called "Weaponspell". These actions are instant when near 5y, but for 6y or more they have cast timers. They buff the next Spell used too, and a lot more.

Take a look in the link below.

[Wayfinder3]

My point is, how does doing magic melee damage make them any different then an actual melee dps. blm and smn doing magic damage doesn't matter except with very niche buffs. thats why these 2 are so high on the dps latter because magic utility sucks in this game when compared to physical alternatives. Making a magic melee a role doesn't do much of anything because if you design to buff casters and it's too strong, you'll have a magiuc equivalent to the piercing meta, but if you make it too weak. it's just another job thats going to get shafted by NIN/DRG

[Sylvain]

I am in support for a Magic Melee Job especially a DPS focused one.

While it seems most people are just saying No to it because "We have ninja" or other reasons that make sense to them

You missed the point, the question isn't if we should add a melee magical job but should we add a category, like ranged, caster, melee, healer or tank.

Adding aelee caster job would be amazing, I'd love to have one. But adding an entire category would be a mistake imo and I brought up a few reasons why.

[Grimoire-M]

Magical melee doesn't matter that much imo. I want to see a combo-less melee far more than I want to see a melee mage, though there are plenty of melee/mage hybrids. A Garlean Gunblade class would work as a nice hybrid and could be introduced next expansion as a counterpart to NIN. Ideally something that played like a mix between SMN and DRK with a focus on resource management, and maybe rewarding stacking skill speed as there isn't really a physical class that does that, despite BLM doing that on the spell side. In that case it'd probably focus its spells into its oGCD like NIN does.