Magic Melee DPS category?

[Jhett_Magnum]

Random thought, what if SE implemented a new category of DPS.

So far we have:

Melee DPS are close-range attackers. Focused on combos and careful positioning to inflict the maximum amount of damage.

Physical Ranged DPS attack foes from a distance. They excel at inflicting sustained damage, and also provide support for companions.

Magical ranged DPS attack foes using a variety of arcane arts. Movement is restricted by casting times, but they excel at inflicting high burst damage.

Magic Melee DPS are combo-less close-ranged attackers. They are armed with enfeebling magic, and able to deal moderate damage with faster GCDs.
(Think of something along the lines of WoW)

Types of Magic Melee DPS include:

Mystic Knight
Dancer
Geomancer
Blue Mage

Will update with role actions soon. Lmk what you guys think!
Will this upset the DPS balance?
Would you play it?

[Sylvain]

assuming no heavy rework of the role skill, a category is more than simple damage type.

[Sylvain]

Technically speaking Nin is already some sort of magic melee as he cast spells every 20sec. Not even counting ninki.

Also, assuming next xpac is tank+heal job, the category would only have 1 job until at the very least 6.0. (Nin)

Giving access to unique rôle action to only one job (which already has unique skills) wouldn't too much good to the game I believe (unless all skills are totally useless).
Category atm also decide what LB your job can do, so they'd need to come up with a new sort of lb.
So far, beside à few exception, only sigle target lb has a use.


These two things alone makes creating a new category more of a assle than anything else.

Therefor, I don't think there will be a need anytime soon for a new category,

[Remedi]

Technically speaking Nin is already some sort of magic melee as he cast spells every 20sec. Not even counting ninki.

I think so too regarding NIN, they have been methodically changing his ninjutsu and ninki skills from physical to magical during the course of the expansion, I think only fuma shuriken is the remaining physical ninjutsu

[Hasrat]

Consideration: Cast time or no cast time?

Cast time would be something no other melee has, and may balance poorly for its melee potential.

No cast tune means Spell Speed, a stat present on many Disciple of Magic gear sets, would be useless, requiring either unique gear, or specialized traits to utilize Spell Speed in a different way, likely as Skill Speed. Both possibilities pose considerable difficulties to balance both melee and magic use in a single job.

[Rongway]

Consideration: Cast time or no cast time?

Cast time would be something no other melee has, and may balance poorly for its melee potential.

But SAM...
See also: RDM

Also in re: spell speed, it still reduces GCD time whether the spells are instant or not; and there are non-speed options for almost every gear slot anyway.


Tangentially, and not in accusation toward Hasrat, why do people make such a big deal about Disciples of Magic having to have cast times? This came up like fifty times in the BLU tank threads for some reason, despite that there are plenty of already-in-game examples of Spells that are instant. "Spell" doesn't have to mean "complex two hour ritual that I need to stand in one spot for".

[JohnnyDevo]

No cast tune means Spell Speed, a stat present on many Disciple of Magic gear sets, would be useless

I've seen this propagated a lot. Along with people saying "yeah spell speed is bad on red mage, for example, because every other cast is instant".

This is wrong. yes spell speed is terrible on red mage, but not for this reason.

The primary important function of spell speed is to reduce the recast times. Lowering the GCD raises the amount of GCDs you can get in a fight, and thus raises your dps. Every spell has a recast time. And thus benefits from spell speed, insta-cast or not. The cast times reducing are just icing on the cake, and meant to keep the cast-vs-recast time proportional. For example, a black mage's fire IV is 2.8s cast and 2.5s recast. If spell speed reduces the cast time to 2.5 seconds, the recast is reduced to 2.25(ish) seconds. The ratio is the same, and both are reduced.

In reality, aside from skill speed increasing auto-attack potency, the stats are functionally identical. I don't know why they don't just combine them into "Haste" or something.

[Sylvain]

Spell speed isn't an issue in the sens that the Stat could very easily be reworked to affect both magical and physical. (technically id like "speed" to also reduce the CD of "core damaging skill" such as jump, mudra etc etc.

[Wayfinder3]

Not sure what it would bring to the table worth making it a role. You could easily make a int melee that does magic damage but has no cast times at all. I don’t think it really warrants it’s own role

[Jhett_Magnum]

Not sure what it would bring to the table worth making it a role. You could easily make a int melee that does magic damage but has no cast times at all. I don’t think it really warrants it’s own role

You aren’t wrong, but the idea was to make a different type of play style under guise of a role. If that makes sense.
Where Melee DPS are about strict positioning and combos, I propose a role that mirrors some sort of action/tab targeting system. Basically allows more freedom in combat.