Tips on dealing with premades in frontlines.

[RiyahArp]

I have been noticing one of them. Stacks the party full of brd and mch, all attack way too coordinated to be a random group, times LBs to attack all together. Any tips on dealing with the imbalance when you are just the group of randoms?

[Astrophysx]

Try to get your team to stick to objectives and play asymmetrically. Relegate fighting to protecting/preventing the pre-made from reaching the objectives as much as possible, and don't offer any more targets for them to farm Battle High/Battle Fever.

Also, what I find best for myself is to heal against pre-mades. It may sound stupid, but IMO knowing how to heal in PvP can make a difference. You don't have to be a top tier healer to carry your alliance, you just have to be good enough to know how to mitigate bursts and keep your team alive - alongside with playing asymmetrically (i.e. focus objectives). Your team is going to get stomped on, there's no preventing that. However, it's possible to win the match, even if your team gets pummeled. lmao Basically, make it so your team "lose the battle, but win the war"... or "get destroyed, but still win the match". LOL

The other best option is to join a pre-made. O.o

[BloodRubyXII]

Become part of one, or make an open PF, premades are a good thing, sure if you're not in one you get stomped but since SE cba dealing with botting, it's the answer for many, and I don't play with them because I want to win, I do it because I find FLs boring without a laugh on discord whilst mashing heavy shot combo macro.

[Theodric]

Become part of one

Easier said than done, unfortunately. Most of the people who want to be in PvP teams (be they for Feast or pre-mades for Frontlines) are already in them...and won't recruit 'outsiders'. On Balmung, at least, there used to be a bunch of people who hung around the PvP hub chatting away and offering tips and such during queues. I rarely see them these days.

Stacking so many BRD and MCH is also a pretty cheap move in general and goes to show that many people who 'PvP' aren't actually all that interested in good-sportsmanship or overcoming opponents with real skill. All the more reason for there to be limits to the amount of stacking that can go on, really, but that'd kill queue times...

[Divinemights]

. Any tips on dealing with the imbalance when you are just the group of randoms?

Depends on the map/mode, you can attempt to split them in Secure and Shattered, but Seal Rock there is no counter. In seal rock, your only hope is preying if you have two really good MCHs can burst down on of their healer real quick.

[Nihility]

not really much you can do.
Bard and Machinist are absurdly over the top in pvp and it only really takes 1 or 2 healers to keep them all going forever since they're also so good at slipping away

really the only hope is that the third team decides they would much rather relentlessly attack them than try to win

[Enlial]

In my experience premades generally wont split and will be more interested in winning through kills rather than objectives. I know its already been said but you can exploit that on maps that allow it by splitting into smaller groups. The premade will always gravitate towards the team thats more densely grouped and leave you alone.

Recognizing them early and 2v1ing them with the other team, before they battle high/fever out of control seems like it *should* work, but never does. I could speculate on a lot of reasons why it doesn't.

Reality is that they're going to be more organized and skilled than randoms every time, so they're almost always going to win. And that's really the way it should be.

[GrumbleBeard]

I'm not too fond of fighting premades either, but I've always just chalked it up to being "part of the game" They could always do what they did for rivals wings and make it so that groups can only queue maximum of 2.

[Vespaer]

^ that is probably one of the best things ive ever heard. seriously, the premades are bad. and this whole change to pvp this last patch was one of the worst things ever. why should i have to wait 3 days to play the mode i want to play Q_Q