Is it getting harder for tanks?

[Kanitezz]

From my experience its not "getting harder". My dungeon runs have usually been the same since I started the game back when like 3.3 came out. I havent noticed a frequency increase in this, but you'll always have that one group of dps or healers that try to race you to mobs or bosses for some reason, even when youre doing big pulls. They wont even have stacks of whatever they get stacks of built up. I dont get it.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Nope. Elusive Jump can be used for movement, Third Eye simply needs to be triggered by aoe damage and Ninja is Ninja.
I swear to God Monk is the only job that gets these weird as hell gimmicks skills. This is like if DRG enmity could only be reduced by sacrificing Nastrond.

It's not Third eye that does the enmity reduction.
It's merciful eyes, the heal.


And, technically, using merciful eyes is a reduction in damage, as Seigan is more potency per kenki than Shinten.

[MoroMurasaki]

It's not Third eye that does the enmity reduction.
It's merciful eyes, the heal.


And, technically, using merciful eyes is a reduction in damage, as Seigan is more potency per kenki than Shinten.

I admit my understanding of MNK is limited but I am pretty sure Forbidden Chakra is more important than Seigan/Shiten optimization on SAM by like a huge amount. Like they aren't even in the same ballpark.

[ChameleonMS]

repelling shot what? its a nothing ability. Bard hate drops are refresh and tactician now

I thank you for the correction. I have not played BRD with any consistency since 3.2. Thus, it completely slipped my mind at the time it has been removed since SB.

[Kurando]

I have noticed some DPS taking aggro pretty easily, with the tank quickly commenting they should of used Diversion/Lucid etc. Although several tanks also are not capable of keeping aggro in DPS stance even though they think otherwise, which to be honest keeping aggro is the first priority for tanks then deal damage so really they should stay in tank stance until they are comfortable they can maintain it.

[MoroMurasaki]

I have noticed some DPS taking aggro pretty easily, with the tank quickly commenting they should of used Diversion/Lucid etc. Although several tanks also are not capable of keeping aggro in DPS stance even though they think otherwise, which to be honest keeping aggro is the first priority for tanks then deal damage so really they should stay in tank stance until they are comfortable they can maintain it.

In pugs there is an astronomical difference when your OT voke/shirks you. If you've got that happening on CD you have to think about enmity a lot less and if you're used to it then get an OT who doesn't do it it can be rough.

Not an excuse, should keep an eye on enmity anyways, but it's a factor.

[Kurando]

snip .

Yeah definitely, although in Light Party content if everyone has to burn though Diversion/Lucid etc (and have them stuck on cd) to get rid of aggro and the tank still can't maintain the aggro then something is really wrong in that instance. Most occasions the party works in sync and avoids those issues, but there is always one party matched up at some point that ends up with the above.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I admit my understanding of MNK is limited but I am pretty sure Forbidden Chakra is more important than Seigan/Shiten optimization on SAM by like a huge amount. Like they aren't even in the same ballpark.

The question wasn't one of how important the optimization was, only that there was a trade out of dps for enmity.
As this quote asked..

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Seriously though, why Purification of all things? No other class with a dump has to literally trade a DPS skill to reduce enmity do they?

Samurai's new enmity reduction is just that.


I was also correcting the incorrect information presented here which stated...

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Third Eye simply needs to be triggered by aoe damage
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Which does not account for the new enmity reduction for Samurai, as it requires Merciful Eyes, and it's not Third Eye that procs the enmity reduction.

[Campi]

Tanking is, like every other Role in this Game, very easy.

If I do Dungeons like Expert in DF, most of the time i don't need Tank-Stance for Aggro, because the DDs are doing so low DPS.
Most of the time i see DDs are doing 1,5-2,5k DPS, while the Tank is doing 4-5k DPS and the Healer 3-4k DPS.
Sometimes there is a good DDs, but they are pretty rare.

A good DD can do good DPS and can control his enmity-bar.

[Thoosa]

Imo if all you do is dungeons, then yes, tanking is pretty easy.

If you touch upon savage and extreme where you’re having to do swaps, time cooldowns properly and having to do tricky mechanics (normally with not much room for error), it gets harder, especially if you die, because it usually means a wipe and the run is over, to everyone else’s annoyance. :P