Is it getting harder for tanks?

[ChameleonMS]

Enmity is shared responsibility, players that fail to accept this reality can die and enjoy being kicked from parties I am in.
If enmity was not a shared responsibility then skills such as Diversion, Lucid Dreaming, Tactician, Elusive Jump, Repelling shot, Purification, Merciful Eyes, etc... would not exist.

[MoroMurasaki]

Enmity is shared responsibility, players that fail to accept this reality can die and enjoy being kicked from parties I am in.
If enmity was not a shared responsibility then skills such as Diversion, Lucid Dreaming, Tactician, Elusive Jump, Repelling shot, Purification, Merciful Eyes, etc... would not exist.

I agree with this to an extent, but when it comes to pugs I don't think it can be 100% attributed to trolling dps.

I manage my enmity on RDM, I have to or a lot of the bad and/or dps-focused pug tanks I encounter wouldn't hold bosses off of me. There are plenty of times lately (especially in normal raid roulette when I get level 70 raids) that sometimes Diversion and Lucid still have 60+ seconds left and I'm close to ripping hate as a RDM.

While enmity is certainly a shared responsibility I don't think "let any dps that rips hate die" is a reasonable mindset to take on because, as stated, it is a shared responsibility. Part of the burden is on the tank.

If you have someone obviously trolling you in party chat that's one thing but if they just say something like "flash please" in a dungeon or "maybe enmity combo?" that doesn't so much read as trolling to me as much as something I would say when I notice a tank losing hate. If its like "haha lern 2tank brah git gud scrub Dx" then yeah, by all means please shirk that guy and teach him some manners I just want there to be a line between that and perhaps a dps who outgears you just doing their job well.

[ChameleonMS]

While enmity is certainly a shared responsibility I don't think "let any dps that rips hate die" is a reasonable mindset to take on because, as stated, it is a shared responsibility. Part of the burden is on the tank.

You are absolutely correct, it is SHARED. If you were in my party, and I saw you pop diversion for your opener, and slowly crept up the enmity ladder, then dropped again with a Lucid, only creep up again. It is my responsibility as the tank to use an aggro combo and/or tank stance to push you back down. The situation you describe is everyone doing their job.

The situation OP was describing was either trolling, carelessness, or laziness.

[SinisterJoints]

Enmity is shared responsibility, players that fail to accept this reality can die and enjoy being kicked from parties I am in.
If enmity was not a shared responsibility then skills such as Diversion, Lucid Dreaming, Tactician, Elusive Jump, Repelling shot, Purification, Merciful Eyes, etc... would not exist.

repelling shot what? its a nothing ability. Bard hate drops are refresh and tactician now

[ChameleonMS]

repelling shot what? its a nothing ability. Bard hate drops are refresh and tactician now

I thank you for the correction. I have not played BRD with any consistency since 3.2. Thus, it completely slipped my mind at the time it has been removed since SB.

[HyoMinPark]

I thank you for the correction. I have not played BRD with any consistency since 3.2. Thus, it completely slipped my mind at the time it has been removed since SB.

Just to clarify, Repelling Shot never had an enmity reduction on it. BRDs had access to Quelling Strikes, which was remade into 4.0 Diversion, and which was actually far crappier than the original 4.0 Diversion and much crappier than the new 4.2 Diversion (it was never sufficient enough for a BRD’s burst, especially after 3.4 dropped and they had been buffed to the moon and back).

Now in 4.0, they have Refresh and Tacitician only, which I personally find to be insufficient because even with keeping both on cooldown and dumping my enmity on a consistent basis, I still end up riding the tank’s butt more than once throughout a given fight. But I’m not going to get on that soapbox today lol.