Some 4.3 feedback from a healer

**Sebazy** · 05-31-2018 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by KDSilver

What the...
I was talking about Malefic III and its adjustment only but whatever. '-'

I do agree that it was a needed change, AST feels a lot less self defeating to play now and irrespective of anything else, that can only be a good thing in my eyes.

Now we're a full reset in, the logs have settled a bit and thankfully for the most part, AST isn't nearly as far ahead as it initially looked so hopefully SE won't come in and curb stomp these changes. If they do reduce the potency, it should only be by 10 or so IMHO. I'd much prefer they gave WHM a small single target potency bump instead though

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 06-01-2018 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sebazy

. I'd much prefer they gave WHM a small single target potency bump instead though

Honestly, after playing AST more and more, I'd actually like them to do something similar for WHM that they did with AST. Simply buffing potencies would be nice, but AST feels amazing to play.
In comparison when I went back to WHM, I started clipping stones like crazy even taking into account stutter stepping, I clipped my GCD for every oGCD heal (which we have a lot of). Honestly it just felt really bad to play at the moment, not sure if it's just me feeling like this after the AST changes or if others are sharing these feelings.

I think a lot of people just dealt with the large amount of clipping WHM has because every healer had to deal with it. Now suddenly AST and SCH got really nice QoL updates and WHM just feels dated...

**Saraphin** · 06-01-2018 01:57 AM

I'm used to the clipping with WHM...but yeah...with both SCH and AST getting some anti-clipping QoLs...*shrugs* who knows if stuff will get...adjusted on WHM.

**Gravagar** · 06-01-2018 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Riyshn

1750p of Embrace heals, technically. Because of pet potencies. And... yeah. It's an ability that you need to think about when you want to use. Why is that a bad thing? You don't use Dissipation when you plan on using one of the fairy skills within the next 30 seconds. Same way an AST doesn't use Sleeve Draw when Draw is nearly off cooldown or their slots are already full, or a MCH has to be careful of when they Overheat, or a SMN wants to be careful with the timings around Summon Bahamut and Rouse. The extra healing/shield from just 2 Succors from the healing boost already makes up about as much healing as Embrace and is AoE, or if you need it single target, the 20% boost plus extra stacks is way more than 1750p if you actually need that on the tank.

Embraces are also completely free, with no MP, GCD, aetherflow, or CD cost to me at all, whereas succor / adlo cost quite a bit of MP. If I choose not to burn MP on dissipation-succors and not to burn swiftcast on summon instead of (raise, miasma, broils, heals), I can afford to throw out more miasma 2s and swiftcast-spells in order to keep the aetherflow flowing. Two succors and a summon is 5280 MP- more than 25% of my entire MP pool. Could've been a few miasma 2s (which sometimes pay for themselves by nature of instant cast).
oh
dissipation needs a spellcasting mp cost reduction, doesn't it
i think it needs an mp cost reduction, seeing how it encourages you to violently consume your mp

**KDSilver** · 06-01-2018 02:55 AM

Since they like homogenizing Healers, I wouldn't be surprised if every dps spells base (Broil,Malefic, Stone) will have the same treatment in 5.0.

**Riyshn** · 06-01-2018 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Gravagar

Embraces are also completely free, with no MP, GCD, aetherflow, or CD cost to me at all, whereas succor / adlo cost quite a bit of MP. If I choose not to burn MP on dissipation-succors and not to burn swiftcast on summon instead of (raise, miasma, broils, heals), I can afford to throw out more miasma 2s and swiftcast-spells in order to keep the aetherflow flowing. Two succors and a summon is 5280 MP- more than 25% of my entire MP pool. Could've been a few miasma 2s (which sometimes pay for themselves by nature of instant cast).

...Ok? GCDs (time) and MP are both resources that are meant to be used. It's... why they exist as mechanics, instead of just letting us spam abilities as fast as we can press the button forever. It's up to the player to make the value decision on how best to use them. Which is why I think I'd prefer to end this here, as it's becoming apparent that we just value the pros/cons of Dissipation differently, and at this point neither of us is going to convince the other.

oh
dissipation needs a spellcasting mp cost reduction, doesn't it
i think it needs an mp cost reduction, seeing how it encourages you to violently consume your mp

That's... not a suggestion I've seen before, actually. I like it.

**Yuyuka3** · 06-01-2018 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Sebazy

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AST being ahead of WHM, even if only a little in the case of pDPS, in both p and rDPS, is completely unacceptable considering where it places them in total DPS numbers and considering that AST, too, can clear every content we have week 1 just like WHM can. We need an increase far higher than only 10 potency to stay competitive. Healers are (even more than before) unbalanced again and that so many people see nothing bad with that at all is just simply disgusting to me. AST is getting far too strong again and it's really worrying me.

**Heilstos** · 06-01-2018 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

AST being ahead of WHM, even if only a little in the case of pDPS, in both p and rDPS, is completely unacceptable considering where it places them in total DPS numbers and considering that AST, too, can clear every content we have week 1 just like WHM can. We need an increase far higher than only 10 potency to stay competitive. Healers are (even more than before) unbalanced again and that so many people see nothing bad with that at all is just simply disgusting to me. AST is getting far too strong again and it's really worrying me.

Hey Kyara Moonbane,

I ask me if an "AST being ahead of WHM, even if only a little in the case of pDPS, in both p and rDPS, is completely unacceptable considering where it places them in total DPS numbers and considering that AST, too, can clear every content we have week 1 just like WHM can." Is that not the goal from Naoki Yoshida and his team?

And if " Healers are (even more than before) unbalanced again and that so many people see nothing bad with that at all is just simply disgusting to me. AST is getting far too strong again and it's really worrying me." The power is more an QoL change than buff for pDPS. But this has given the AST an identity that scares you, and that is also a goal to create diversity. And your fears show me that the developers have done a good job. Otherwise this change would go unnoticed.

I ask myself the question, if I want to have a healer as a partner which one is it?

Is the Scholor or the white mage?

Then I'll take a closer look. And see that the SCH can do better shielding than a WHM. But I like the "Divine Benison" from the white mage. It's so cute, but irrelevant to over from Critlo (which can be split) and Succor.

At the beginning of the addon I had the feeling that the pDPS from the WHM is great and give him to indetity. But the SCH is doing better job at the moment than you and the scholor give there Raidgroup's buffs (Chain Stratagem and Fey Wind) and you, Mrs Moonbane?

Mhh Now you can say dear Marius I can Heal great. Mhh nice joke. An scholor makes such a great job (with shields) that we do not need much healing power at the moment. Is the time from Cure III over until you have a weak Nocturnal AST.

At least the SCH have Excogitation, Fey Union, Indomitability and Sacred Soil. I ask myself what the white mage has to offer. Most of the CDs (lilies and plenary indulgence) from the White mage needs GCD healing and much mana to shine. And everything can be the Scholor better than you until Cure III. Less mana use a lot of cheap OGCDs. And can turn Tetragrammaton, Benediction,Plenary Indulgence,Assize the sheet for the WHM. For all in no case.

And you have no answer for the fairy aswell like we Astrologians for that.

These are more likely to scare you, Mrs. Moonbane! These are reasons why they slip into insignificance as a white mage for a small part of the community.

I wonder right now what is more questionable is to get upset about Malefic I - III or naively look away in which direction of the scholar.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 06-01-2018 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Heilstos

The power is more an QoL change than buff for pDPS. But this has given the AST an identity that scares you, and that is also a goal to create diversity. And your fears show me that the developers have done a good job. Otherwise this change would go unnoticed.

The changes are QoL, and they're wonderful. The point is, it was too strong of a buff. If we look at what every healer can do, heres how it turns out.

SCH: Can heal all content and has the highest personal and raid DPS.
AST: Can heal all content and has high personal and raid DPS.
WHM: Can heal all content and has high personal DPS.

WHM is lacking something very important. Something only it can bring. And I know that a lot of people like to argue that WHM has more healing power, but why does this matter when all healers can heal the same content anyway? Not to even mention they don't even bring high personal DPS anymore since AST is beating them.

**Yuyuka3** · 06-01-2018 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey Kyara Moonbane,

I ask me if an "AST being ahead of WHM, even if only a little in the case of pDPS, in both p and rDPS, is completely unacceptable considering where it places them in total DPS numbers and considering that AST, too, can clear every content we have week 1 just like WHM can." Is that not the goal from Naoki Yoshida and his team?

And if " Healers are (even more than before) unbalanced again and that so many people see nothing bad with that at all is just simply disgusting to me. AST is getting far too strong again and it's really worrying me." The power is more an QoL change than buff for pDPS. But this has given the AST an identity that scares you, and that is also a goal to create diversity. And your fears show me that the developers have done a good job. Otherwise this change would go unnoticed.

If his goal is destroying WHM, sure, it is. Btw, what I'm debating is not AST being able to clear content, it's AST being better or equal to WHM in every single aspect. Which should be a problem to anyone with half a brain, so it not being to some really floors me and not in a good way. Also, it was an immense buff to AST even if not intended as such, definitely NOT QoL due to how much it tipped the balance in favor of them, so I feel my (and some other people's) worries aren't unfounded. So me wanting balance for healers, as I said on this forum time and time again, is a bad thing now? I should just roll over and get trampled, yes, because all my fears are just in my head despite the raw data provided? Maybe you forgot the last time the balance got tipped heavily in ASTs favor, the good ol' times of WHM exclusion?

You know me better than that, and, btw, pushing down someones worries in such a way and then saying they find it great how things turned out BECAUSE someone feels it worrisome is a pretty shitty thing to do.

Oh, right, another thing I did form the start was criticizing how AST was lazily designed as a WHM with an extra from the beginning, so I think it would be a good thing to give them their own identity. As long as that does not pose a threat to another class. Which it does. WHM, as much as you don't want to see it, needs something only them and nobody else can do, which is what I also argue for more than three years now and what Square is completely deaf about because for them, everything is great while the house that is healer balance is burning. And which you, too, have always been blind to even in the darkest hours.

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