Ridoraba 3rd Boss got nerfed ?

[Ilenya]

Certainly hope not. That boss is great! Sadly, it shows the state of the education system here in the US though xD

Do we usually kill people if they can't do multiple choice math questions while doing other things in ten seconds to compare?

[ElHeggunte]

Do we usually kill people if they can't do multiple choice math questions while doing other things in ten seconds to compare?

We should. That might motivate people to learn what a prime number is.

Jokes aside, what exactly is there to do that would qualify as "other things" and would therefore prevent people from answering exceedingly simplistic grade school math questions within the allotted time (learning disabilities notwithstanding--90% of the raid don't all have dyscalculia)? The boss literally stands there doing nothing for the entirety of the phase so the only thing you have to worry about is what he's asking you do to.

[Ilenya]

We should. That might motivate people to learn what a prime number is.

Jokes aside, what exactly is there to do that would qualify as "other things" and would therefore prevent people from answering exceedingly simplistic grade school math questions within the allotted time (learning disabilities notwithstanding--90% of the raid don't all have dyscalculia)? The boss literally stands there doing nothing for the entirety of the phase so the only thing you have to worry about is what he's asking you do to.

I dunno, I'm a healer, when I need down time I can have it easily. I don't need to keep track of buff timers like DPS do and I don't know if the window is enough of an issue to cause issues.

[Airget]

We should. That might motivate people to learn what a prime number is.

The issue is how it's taught, most math is just taught as "learn this because you have to" they rarely teach you the real world implication of mathematical ideas. If one were to understand why certain concepts are important people may retain the information better but when your school system teaches you that the multiplications are 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20, 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30, 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 40, 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50, 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80, etc etc, it just leaves most peoples minds because they don't understand why it's important to learn.

Utility of learned information should be part of an education system curriculum but many just regurgitate information to you without explaining why it's important.

[KaivaC]

I am not going to lie... First time I ran it, I forgot my prime numbers too because it has been decades since I dealt with anything specifically with prime numbers. I just happened to get lucky with them, but prime numbers aren't really what I would call general things one would use in everyday life. Certain fields of work, yes, they would use them a lot.

[BillyKaplan]

I am not going to lie... First time I ran it, I forgot my prime numbers too because it has been decades since I dealt with anything specifically with prime numbers. I just happened to get lucky with them, but prime numbers aren't really what I would call general things one would use in everyday life. Certain fields of work, yes, they would use them a lot.

Which is why they wrote down all relevant primes (up to 13) and most of the 2 and 3 multiplications on the notes on the robots before the boss. They're not that mean, but most people don't stop to read it, and if they do, they might not memorize it fast enough before the boss is pulled.

[kikix12]

First time I ran it, I forgot my prime numbers too because it has been decades since I dealt with anything specifically with prime numbers.

Everyone deals with prime numbers daily. It's just that people don't really name them. It's like you can push a fish on the frying pan naturally to even out the frying, without even knowing that it is a specific cooking technique that is named and is technically acknowledged as "french" technique.

That being said, the numbers that are present in this raid are something people will deal with on a daily basis. I wonder how these people manage not to be swindled away when doing shopping or getting their salaries if they can't do fundamental math like that.

[KisaiTenshi]

That being said, the numbers that are present in this raid are something people will deal with on a daily basis. I wonder how these people manage not to be swindled away when doing shopping or getting their salaries if they can't do fundamental math like that.

Well, if you pay by card, you're not going to get ripped off unless the merchant with the POS (Point of Sale) mis-keys it. That's why chip+pin, tap-to-pay and apple-pay show you the amount you're being charged and you should never hand your card to someone. If you must use the swipe, you swipe yourself.

Getting paid or doing shopping doesn't require you to use math. Come to think of it, all the math I really use outside of programming/spreadsheet/graph abuse (literately I generate graphs out of numbers that people can't understand) is when adding gratuities to the restaurant bill, or buying items in quantities at the store, and double-checking that whatever discount applied is on the actual receipt at the self-checkout. One time in the last 3 years was something wrong. Prior to that, I had been overcharged by 100$ by a restaurant about 10 years prior, because the merchant mis-keyed 10.00 as 110.00 and I saw it briefly when I used the card, but it didn't register in my mind what was wrong until I checked the receipt when I got home. That was a three month ordeal that I wound up with 100$ in gift certificates for.

Suffice it to say, even when we use math, sometimes we are so used to things just working that when they go wrong it's just not going to register. With the advent of Apple Pay, you actually see the amount you are being charged on your device, even if you use those cards without using apple pay. So now you have a "you paid X.XX to BUSINESS NAME" message sitting on the phone/ipad when you get home if you forgot to take it with you.

[kikix12]

1) People that play this game are old enough to remember time when hard cash was used quite frequently.
2) Apple Pay and all those fancy methods are not used by everyone and not available in every country, while there are numerous countries from which players are logged onto the NA servers.
3) There are still places where none of that matters. The business will simply not accept anything short of cash. That's something you are very likely to be forced into whenever you leave your country for another that uses different currency.


On a different note, math is used far more than when counting numbers. Great deal of math is as natural to humanity as biology. Whenever you cut off a slice of pie, pour soup into the plate for more than yourself, recharge your phone. Those are all instances where math is used naturally.

If you have two oranges and are going to visit someone with three children, do you need to use "math" to know that two oranges are too few to give each of them one?! No. You do that instinctively, but that's nothing more than 2-3=-1. People can count that kind of math. Just about everyone can. Learning disorders inhibit the written, number, form. But I have real doubt to believe that someone that cannot read a number at all could actually reach lvl70 in an RPG game. Brain "calculates" a lot of things. If it was unable to do that, the person would be in a vegetative state. Therefore there is no one active unable to count basic numbers.


Excuses because someone doesn't feel like paying attention are just that. Excuses. At least be honest (I don't mean specifically you, but those that complain about the math there or keep failing it) and say that you don't feel like doing anything beyond mashing buttons.


And if people nowadays really can't, for whatever reason, count, subtract, add, divide and multiply to 10...then I simply have no words. None that would not be extremely offensive, anyway.

[Vhailor]

The issue is how it's taught, most math is just taught as "learn this because you have to" they rarely teach you the real world implication of mathematical ideas. If one were to understand why certain concepts are important people may retain the information better but when your school system teaches you that the multiplications are 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20, 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30, 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 40, 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50, 8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80, etc etc, it just leaves most peoples minds because they don't understand why it's important to learn.

Utility of learned information should be part of an education system curriculum but many just regurgitate information to you without explaining why it's important.

In fairness, most subjects require significant groundwork be laid prior to interesting applications being readily apparent.

Reciting the alphabet and learning how to spell and write basic sentences, for example, is critical to reading. Prior to having some of the basics down, you can't easily jump into a book. Once you do get the basics, you can begin reading, which then reinforces skills and builds new ones, which leads to more complex reading... and then a whole world opens up for you.

Mathematics is like this too, but unlike reading, there aren't a lot of useful applications for math right off the bat. It's more of an art form than anything else, and much like teaching art, it depends to some extent on inborn interest from the students. You can present neat tricks, you can demonstrate math 'magic', you can leverage puzzles as learning aids, but if there's no interest in learning for the sake of learning - if the student doesn't value the abstract - math tends to be a struggle. The concrete examples are either too contrived, or too advanced. At least, that's been my experience.