Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[Maeka]

Maeka.

Can you please stop taking every post in this thread for yourself?
I was not talking about you for the 2nd time.

My apologies, but that last post of yours I quoted sounded like you were replying to my post, because I'm the only person in the thread that mentioned "robotic" behavior and you go "being good as a healer isn't human now"...

I dunno who you were REALLY replying to (the quote feature REALLY helps with that, you know?), so.....

Whatever, my apologies all the same.

[Ghishlain]

@Ruf - This isn't FFXI. Please don't heal in FFXIV like you're a SCH or WHM in FFXI. Thank you.

[MoroMurasaki]

You arnt funny

Your personal attacks don't exactly endear you to me but I want to try to help here because you seem like a new healer and I have a soft spot for new healers. Please read what I say with an open mind?

I've just really gotten into doing Savage this tier, not that I've cleared o8s or anything like Miste, Cass and Hyo but I think my perspective is unique from theirs in that I haven't had Savage as a big part of my gameplay for very long.

I play on ps4 so I don't parse but I've had friends parse me for quite a while, I've done respectable dps as a healer in all the content that I've done. I hit Savage and went from collecting purples and oranges (75th to 99th percentile) in Rabanastre to barely being able to fight my way out of grey (so under 25%) and it was immediately discouraging. I, like you, severly underestimated the chasm of a difficulty gap between dungeons and Savage. This is my first suggestion to you - speak on what you know not what you think may be true. If you haven't completed a piece of content don't assume you know what it's like because you've done other content. Going from dungeons to Savage is very much like playing a different game entirely.

Next lets try to address the downsides of overhealing. You've said you haven't experienced any mp issues, that's good! Managing your mp is important and it will serve you well in the future. Another issue with overhealing though is enmity. As an AST you have a built in enmity reduction (which I am jealous of on WHM) but at a certain point you will still start forcing your tank to adjust to keep hate off of you. The only skill you have that sheds enmity is Lucid Dreaming which (in most content) you want to use for mp recovery more than the threat dump.

This is where overhealing starts becoming actually bad - content may be tuned without healer dps in mind but it is tuned with tank dps. You're going to be costing your tank dps because he's going to have to use more enmity combos to hold off of you. Now you're not just negatively impacting your own mp but also someone else's dps.

Will that matter in a dungeon? No, but you're talking about walking into Savage and I want to help save you some headaches.

Finally we come to optimization. This is (as usual) the thing that everyone else focused on already. Your personal dps as an AST is nothing to laugh at, especially in a situation where you can AoE. Gravity + Lightspeed is an amazing combo now. Even in single target situations if you are filling your downtime with Malefic III and keeping Combust rolling you aren't going to sustain the same level of MP that you are now and, objectively, it's better to spend the mp and GCDs on some damage than on literally nothing because that's what overheal is - wasted healing. It's like damaging something that's already dead, kinda pointless right?

I hope you can learn from this thread and from branching out and doing some new content. Byakko EX is pretty easy at this point since people know the mechs, give healing that a go maybe. I also hope you understand that this comes from a place of trying to save you the frustrations I know will lie ahead of you if you continue as you are but try to move into more challenging content. From the arrogance to the overhealing it will all make it very difficult.

Hope it helps.

[Ruf]

seem like a new healer

NEW HEALER?! my opinion in no way claim I'm new at the job, this is bad you just assume that I'm new when you have no idea.

@Ruf - This isn't FFXI. Please don't heal in FFXIV like you're a SCH or WHM in FFXI. Thank you.

I not once in this thread used ffxi as an example to back up my claims so please.

[MoroMurasaki]

NEW HEALER?! my opinion in no way claim I'm new at the job, this is bad you just assume that I'm new when you have no idea.

I not once in this thread used ffxi as an example to back up my claims so please.

I keep trying to be nice to people on the forums and you guys make me regret it every single time.

Fine, if your aren't new then you sure do seem bad because your mentality is something you should have grown out of with experience. Keep being a burden to your cohealers and parties in general.

I hope you give Savage a shot with this attitude, you'll get kicked so much you'll be back here starting a complaint thread.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Try reading my post again.

I'm talking about 8-man bosses that are roughly 10 minutes in length, with and without healer DPS. The difference is anywhere between 15-45 seconds per healer who is doing 0 compared to doing 2k (the rough estimate provided to me by HyoMinPark).

Try reading mine.

To put this nonsense to the test, I ran Phantom Train normal twice, once where I went full DPS mode and once where not even Assize clipped the Train. The fight took over a minute longer despite having superior DPS in the second group (where I didn't DPS at all) compared to the first. My contributions in group one was 11% of the overall damage; combined HyoMin and I were 22% total. That equates to more than a DPS job, especially when you consider neither of us have much if any Savage gear on our healers. In fact, I have some left over Genji stuff, thus my damage was even lower than it could be. In group two? My contributions were 0.5 towards the overall damage; combined with HyoMin again we totaled 2.1%

Borrowing your "napkin math," this means were contributed only 10% compared to our previous run. A whopping 90% of our damage was just thrown away for literally no reason. Going a step further, I had 33% active cast times in the second group compared to 81% The total raid DPS was over three thousand less because both healers contributed nothing.

To summarize, I was so useless, it would have been better if there were five DPS and one healer. That is how little I contributed to the group. But please, tell me again how healer DPS doesn't matter and contributes so little. It's amazing what actual data shows in lieu of "napkin math."

[MaloraYuki]

NEW HEALER?! my opinion in no way claim I'm new at the job, this is bad you just assume that I'm new when you have no idea.

Actually your opinion does claim you are a noob with a super ego. Maybe don’t act like an idiot and people wouldn’t say you’re a new healer. You must really like trying to defend yourself when everyone says you’re wrong, should have just quit while you were ahead.

Ps. You only think savage is crap because you suck at it super ego.

[LadyKairi]

Oh I surely can argue with datas because you obviously seem to be unaware that 1% can exist
& no I'm not speaking of your fflogs, I am speaking of HUMANS BEINGS

You do realize that the data on FFLogs is from human beings, right? The data are recordings of how everyone in a party does in an instance, then it’s uploaded to the website by the people in that run.

Also, Super Ego, you’re not gonna win against Hyo. Facts are facts, and your way of thinking is factually wrong. You are bad, as proven by your posts here. Instead of boasting about how great you are, back it up. Show some proof. Those of us here that main asts have plenty of proof for ourselves.

[Maeka]

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A whole 60 seconds.

That's not far from the 15-45 that I figured with the napkin math. *shrug*

It depends a lot on how good the DPS are, and how long the fight actually is, how much time is spent dodging AoEs or waiting on phase transitions, yadda yadda.

But still. A whole 60 seconds.

.... on Normal Sigmascape that's not even Kefka.

No, I don't really think that's anything to write home about. Sorry, but I really don't. 60 seconds is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it type thing on fights as easy as Phantom Train.

And even then, that's comparing left-egregious with right-egregious values (min vs max). A healer who is often overhealing but at least doing SOME DPS is going to be in the middle somewhere, and you were also assuming BOTH healers were doing no DPS which is going to be a rare occasion, so really, just like I said, ~30 seconds per healer if the healer does absolutely no DPS.

Yup.

My napkin math was pretty much spot-on.

Thanks for proving that tho.

[Sebazy]

RE: "DPS does more than 4K!"



Then that means that the healer's contribution is EVEN SMALLER! Thank you for proving my point that I made with the napkin math post.

Meanwhile my co healer does 3.5k to significantly over 4k depending on the turn =(