Give us a reason to use anything but standard while synthing!

[Soukyuu]

I think it has less to do with the amount of time spent and more to do with the materials being consumed in the process. For example if you do Two Standards Synths for a toal of 900 exp in the same time it takes you to do one Careful Synth for a total of 900 exp you are STILL consuming TWICE as many materials, which is going to cost you time one way or another in the form of materials or money spent.

You do have a point on that one, but careful synth has a higher fail rate (or rather, higher durability loss on failure) which means you will break an item more likely than using standard, thus getting less exp per attempt, waste mats and still need twice as long to complete a synth.

Now, I'm going to reiterate my above point. Why bother attempting to Careful Synth a recipe, taking twice as much time as you would performing a Standard Synth on the same recipe, for the exp bonus WHEN you could just move on to a recipe 5 lvls higher and spam standard (whilst using cross craft abilities) to obtain 900exp per synth in the same amount of time it takes you to standard synth a recipe that yields 450exp?

So you do agree there is no reason to use careful synth? I'm slightly confused.

Also the example used a recipe 5 levels above you, because if you try to synth something higher than 5 levels above you, the failure rate increases even more, so you will probably break even more synths overall.

[Matsume]

You do have a point on that one, but careful synth has a higher fail rate (or rather, higher durability loss on failure) which means you will break an item more likely than using standard, thus getting less exp per attempt, waste mats and still need twice as long to complete a synth.

Yes, Careful Synthesis does have a higher loss of durability when it fails, but you can use Tender Touch to guard against durability losses. Alternatively, you could use Fullfillment to increase the rate of success. The same can be said for Rapid Synthesis, in which case I would recommend using Masterpiece to increase it's rate of success. And then, of couse, there is Preserve which helps to maintain favorable synthesis conditions If you have Perfection you can guarentee the success of your next synthesis action and thus shave off time via rapid synthesis or gain a little bonus exp via careful synthesis.

So you do agree there is no reason to use careful synth? I'm slightly confused.

Also the example used a recipe 5 levels above you, because if you try to synth something higher than 5 levels above you, the failure rate increases even more, so you will probably break even more synths overall.

Now, I didn't say there was no reason to use Careful Synth. That's besides the point since the title of this thread is :

"Give us a reason to use anything but standard while synthing!"

and that's exactly what I've done. I've given you a reason to use cross class abilities to ensure and increase the success rate of your Careful/Rapid/Standard Synthesis Actions, particularly if you wish to successfully grind on a recipe that is 5+lvls above you. What you say about botching even more on a synth 5+ lvls above you is not necessarily true. Did you ever happen to come across this thread? It's an oldie, but a goodie:



You can see he botches on average twice after a string of 6 or 7 successful synthesis, and even the botches yield 300exp on occasion. Furthermore I don't think he was using a Grand Company Manual either, which would have had the effect of netting him over 900+exp per successful synthesis. All it takes is a few mid lvl crafting abilities, the right gear, and the judicious use of those abilities on a recipe high enough above you:

Hand of the Gods (R36 alchemy) + Perfection (R30 carpenter) and you can craft stuff +10 LV consistently, probably even less botches than the OP shows. Throw in Crafting scroll for 1k+ exp/synth!!

But those lvl 36 abilities are by no meanss necessary, as the OP of that image was doing this only with lvl 10 abilities from what I understood. Now if that isn't reason enough to use something other than standard synthesis even once every three actions, then I don't know what would do the trick.

You might want to check out Twinkles' Crafting Guide while you're at it.

I hope that helps! Happy crafting!