Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

[cicatriz313]

I think for the newer raids it makes sense. There are times when you'd like to gear an alt but the gear you have on said alt would be worse than playing your main, therefore greed helps. The likelihood of anyone rolling on the piece of gear you want is less since there's a weekly lockout. I don't think the ff14 team intends 24 mans to be the place to gear up your main toon, considering there are so many other avenues to get progression ilevel equipment. That being said, anyone hoping to get glamour in the old 24 mans is SOL these days.

[ExKage]

Honestly, I would be fine with this change if only we weren't limited to two equipment drops per boss. I've gone through 4 runs without -one- caster piece dropping and that makes the All-Greed a pain.

[Reinha]

Why should we have to go back from a bad system to another bad system? Being able to play any job you want at the time (regardless of what you are gearing) is one of the good sides of this game and you can do that with tomes, 8 man normal, extremes and savage. Alliance raids should get tokens too and not the relic from the past that Need Before Greed is.

[Kallera]

Because of this new rule I refuse to do the 24 man solo.

[Deceptus]

As it stands right now there zero reason to go on your main character (mostly affects tanks and heals) because you're not guaranteed the loot if it drops and you're the only one who can use it. Why go through the headache of harder, more stressful jobs for less reward?

The fact someone who doesn't even have the job unlocked can outroll someone who is on their main the completely ridiculous.

I'm baffled as to why people think that they can't get gear on their sub classes while going on their mains. I used to go on healer ALL the time to 24 mans and yet greed on other items. Due to the lockout nature, competition was very low and if I really wanted something, then I should have to come as that class.

This. When I main healer after I got all the stuff I wanted I'd simply greed any chest or legs that showed up and I still geared the heck out of my alts.

This new greed rule attempts to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

[Lambdafish]

As it stands right now there zero reason to go on your main character (mostly affects tanks and heals) because you're not guaranteed the loot if it drops and you're the only one who can use it. Why go through the headache of harder, more stressful jobs for less reward?

The fact someone who doesn't even have the job unlocked can outroll someone who is on their main the completely ridiculous.

Ok, context is lost on a lot of people. I don't care about the change, I liked N>G, I don't care about all greed, and here is why: Just because some CAN outroll you if they don't have the job, doesn't mean they will. There is a weekly lockout remember, so people will go into the raid with a specific idea of what gear they want to get, people aren't just going to loot on everything because they can. I got my NIN piece this week as soon as it dropped, not because I got lucky with my rolls, but because I was the only person to roll on it, and on top of that, there were many pieces of gear that just simply dropped to the floor. Your only competition in 24man now are party members who are also seeking that particular piece that you are needing (and they could very well need it more than you if they aren't running the raid as it).

Having said that, they should definately bring N>G back to the older 24man dungeons because there is no weekly restriction (or at least rabanastre as a start).

[Jellybums]

Not sure how Need works but if Need has priority over Greed, I would like that back coz I don't wanna get gear someone else needs more. I roll greed all the time for stuff so I can get GC seals and company credits, plus now there's the Doman reconstruction. Getting gear for trading/donating should be second to improving a player's preferred class. I'm not gonna start passing up on high level gear though. But come on, priorities.

[Tsumdere]

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Y'all can translate more if you want.

/signed.

Quoting myself for links to the Japanese thread about it so people can see for themselves. It is a bonehead change that no one but very few select people like. Most of the people in the game have been getting angry and starting party fights over loot because of it (in Ridorana/Rabanasty at least - older raids just seem to be met with confusion and the occasional off comment about how this sucks).

[Lunaxia]

/signed.

Thanks for the link, when I tried the URL kept going crazy.

[Zumi]

I believe someone in the JP community wanted this change because they wanted to take their already geared out mains to the 24 man raid so they can roll gear for their alt jobs without having to play them so not to lose efficiency by having to play an alt.