Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

[PerrinTaveren]

well my mains SCH, SMN and BLM has all the gear superior to alliance raids right now. So, why would i get the gear for them? i get tank gear instead because i am gearing my tanks. So, i am happy i don't have to play tank to get the gear.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Hoping for RNG to give you the gear you want was already bad enough. Now I have to fight 7 other people to keep the item, if it finally drops. Even if you ask the party to pass the item you want, there's no guarantee they'll listen. I've been in situations when people asked the party to pass on gear, only for another person to take it anyway.

[Jandor]

Why is everyone here apparently rolling against their entire party?

You only get one drop a week, almost everything in my runs has ended up on the floor.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Raids do not require a need button...

You know what they need? A token system that kicks in when you do it enough times without getting loot.

Because being 220/450 for weekly tomestones on a character, with only Lighthouse and still not having even rolled on anything really making me dislike the new raid...

[Rowde]

Raids do not require a need button...

You know what they need? A token system that kicks in when you do it enough times without getting loot.

Because being 220/450 for weekly tomestones on a character, with only Lighthouse and still not having even rolled on anything really making me dislike the new raid...

You know what, I could get behind this considering that 3.0 and 4.0 raids already have tokens in the form of the coins.
Just add an NPC that lets you trade coins for gear from raids.

Andbeforeyouneedcoinsforupgradesthough, there are THREE ways to get upgrade items: coins, hunt logs, and savage loot.


However, I also want the Need button back regardless.

[loreleidiangelo]

Raids do not require a need button...

You know what they need? A token system that kicks in when you do it enough times without getting loot.

Because being 220/450 for weekly tomestones on a character, with only Lighthouse and still not having even rolled on anything really making me dislike the new raid...

I'd support this over bringing the Need button back, tbh. Token system would mean you could luck out and get the drop you're eyeballing "early", while still guaranteeing that after x amount of arbitrary runs you'd get the piece you were after, no RNG required.

[Maero]

As it stands someone that plays/has a level 70 Warrior can loose a roll to someone with a level 10 Maurader, lol

[PerrinTaveren]

As it stands someone that plays/has a level 70 Warrior can loose a roll to someone with a level 10 Maurader, lol

tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. they roll because they need it in some way. i think this makes everyone equal with rolling, instead of people who just roll stuff to get the gear they don't even need. a.k.a selling them for gc seals, get materia etc. etc. i have seen many times a lv70 tank rolls need on something on lv60 raids. maybe someone needs that gear to gear their lv60 tanks? did you think of that i wonder.

in the end, everyone loots what they need for. it is weekly locked so not everyone is getting all the gears. it is fine as it is now imo.

[Tridus]

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tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. they roll because they need it in some way. i think this makes everyone equal with rolling, instead of people who just roll stuff to get the gear they don't even need. a.k.a selling them for gc seals, get materia etc. etc. i have seen many times a lv70 tank rolls need on something on lv60 raids. maybe someone needs that gear to gear their lv60 tanks? did you think of that i wonder.

in the end, everyone loots what they need for. it is weekly locked so not everyone is getting all the gears. it is fine as it is now imo.

Aside from there already being a zillion page thread that covers this... someone actively doing the job right then losing out on an upgrade to some guy with an alt that might get played sometime, maybe, is hardly fair. They don't need it. They want it. That's why need/greed was created in the first place. That's why it's still the default loot system in literally every other roulette in the game.

This broke people's ability to get gear for their mains, especially on jobs where the gear is popular for glamour (SAM). It's SE fixing a problem that didn't exist in the first place and creating a real problem by doing so.

[Fawkes]

tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. they roll because they need it in some way. i think this makes everyone equal with rolling, instead of people who just roll stuff to get the gear they don't even need. a.k.a selling them for gc seals, get materia etc. etc. i have seen many times a lv70 tank rolls need on something on lv60 raids. maybe someone needs that gear to gear their lv60 tanks? did you think of that i wonder.

in the end, everyone loots what they need for. it is weekly locked so not everyone is getting all the gears. it is fine as it is now imo.

They would lot if they want that specific piece, for whatever reason, either glamour or just to have it to level into or whatever. If anything drops that you want, it's best for you to lot on it lockout or not, because you never know when it'll drop again. And sometimes people lot just to get ANYTHING, because they've run it a bunch and don't want their lockout to go to waste. Also people don't typically keep running after they get their item, so pretty much everybody in the run isn't going to be locked out at the start of every run.

If someone wants level 60 tank gear from a 24 man it's solely for glamour. That would be a terrible way to gear a job and if someone is running old content to get substandard gear that's going to be outdated and worthless once they get to level 61 then it's probably for the best if somebody stops them by needing it.