Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

[Lunaxia]

Now we just need someone proficient in moon runes to post this to the nippon side of the forum to truly let our voices be heard.

A thread about this already exists on the JP side.

It mentions a dev post saying they implemented this so that players wouldn't be locked out of getting gear for alt classes that were too under-geared for the raid, but they'll assess the feedback they get and make a decision of whether to continue it or not. Most responses are unhappy about it (one asks, "did we even ask for this?" lol) and the highest rated responses are along the vein of "please change it back", "this just makes getting drops more difficult" or "it's frustrating watching someone on a different job take loot for a class you're playing."

I don't see them keeping this new rule for long, really.

[Souljacker]

A thread about this already exists on the JP side.

It mentions a dev post saying they implemented this so that players wouldn't be locked out of getting gear for alt classes that were too under-geared for the raid, but they'll assess the feedback they get and make a decision of whether to continue it or not. Most responses are unhappy about it (one asks, "did we even ask for this?" lol) and the highest rated responses are along the vein of "please change it back", "this just makes getting drops more difficult" or "it's frustrating watching someone on a different job take loot for a class you're playing."

I don't see them keeping this new rule for long, really.

That's interesting, because a FC mate told me that this was only made because JP players, who are considered more 'polite' than NA players, asked for it. The dev reasoning makes no sense, either. No one is 'locked out' of getting a drop for an alternate class unless someone on that class who needs the gear rolls need on it.

SE has done a lot of things over the years that were complicated but you could find a bit of sense just there at the very bottom, even re-forcing cutscenes back on us in MSQ roulette. There is absolutely nothing about this change that makes any sense at all, especially if JP didn't ask for it, either.

[Tridus]

That's interesting, because a FC mate told me that this was only made because JP players, who are considered more 'polite' than NA players, asked for it. The dev reasoning makes no sense, either. No one is 'locked out' of getting a drop for an alternate class unless someone on that class who needs the gear rolls need on it.

If the JP players are more polite, they don't need this change. Then can politely ask someone to decline to roll for someone else.

[Remedi]

If the JP players are more polite, they don't need this change. Then can politely ask someone to decline to roll for someone else.

Not only that, but I believe that the dev should've just said them to play that job if they want that reward ( which I think thay said that once for some other reason which I don't remember)

[Lunaxia]

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I'd heard the same thing, but it doesn't seem to be as popular as the devs think, if true. The OP (which was against it) now has over 100 likes, and the "bring it back" posts average about 40. There is some support for it, but digging through the recent posts, the majority wants rid.

I guess their intent was to improve the chances of getting gear for alts by getting rid of the Need barrier. Unfortunately, it's just made life harder for everyone else.

[Vondoomervil]

I want to get gear for alts that I play sometimes.... and if I can do that playing my main, that's I higher ilvl... and the job I enjoy playing the most, then I'm happy to do that.


Pretty simple really.
I know its not popular though, I can understand why. But, I'm enjoying the change.

[Alleo]

I want to get gear for alts that I play sometimes.... and if I can do that playing my main, that's I higher ilvl... and the job I enjoy playing the most, then I'm happy to do that.


Pretty simple really.
I know its not popular though, I can understand why. But, I'm enjoying the change.

Then why not level those alts up with dungeon runs? If you do intent to play them sometimes those dungeon runs should be quite easy with the other jobs. Thus you can need roll on those and thus level up your jobs without a change that will negatively impact others quite much.

[Duskane]

I grabbed me that sweet Monk top as WAR
Crit and DH

With crafted augmentation its pretty easy to gear up alt classes now my astro went from 352 to 361 in one afternoon

[Ophie-Mio]

I'm baffled as to why people think that they can't get gear on their sub classes while going on their mains. I used to go on healer ALL the time to 24 mans and yet greed on other items. Due to the lockout nature, competition was very low and if I really wanted something, then I should have to come as that class.

The Greed Only nature has really changed that mindset though.

Right now, all this Greed Only is doing is screwing over SAMs/MNKs from their upgrades.

[RitsukoSonoda]

IMO button for the most part makes no difference most of the time when loot is locked to 1 item per week. However on the 24 man raids that no longer have that limitation people have a habit of rolling Need on anything they can just because they can.