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    kobe-sabi's Avatar
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    Ash Tikyrah
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    relic weapons whats with crappy ilvl and wait

    why are the relic weapons the last thing you get, expansion done and the most powerful weapon completed after you poured so much time to get it and its useless. SE needs to keep these things current, the raiders put in work, relic put you to work too, so these need to be on par with raid weapons. a weapon for people who don't want to raid and the weapon for people who do raid. i just want equal terms, and to eliminate the wait on these weapons, they come out to slowly.
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    Because they don't want to hand you a godly weapon straight away making savage content null void

    If you don't raid i355 weapon is completely fine you can do all normal content in this game at average ilevel of 335

    And making relic is(was) alot more passive than doing savage content and requires alot less effort
    Most the steps in the past were just getting items and doing a regular dungeon

    Also gotta give geralt some time off
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    You don't need I375 if you're not raiding.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Myrhn Shirayuki
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    i dont agree with you at all. Raid weapon should be always the higher ilvl till the end of that raid cycle. Thats one of the reason to raid. If you are not raiding you dont need the highest ilvl weapon u can do fine with the lower ones.
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    I love the official forums, they tell you to use the search for thread about what you wanted to talk but when you use it they judge for necro a thread.


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    Florence Leduc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    i dont agree with you at all. Raid weapon should be always the higher ilvl till the end of that raid cycle. Thats one of the reason to raid. If you are not raiding you dont need the highest ilvl weapon u can do fine with the lower ones.
    ermmm if you only raid for weapon you have a huge trouble....
    i means the raid give you access to a whole set of special armor (generally dyeable version of the normal version, even if the last alexander was a different version)
    plus relic is rarely handed like this, some step of the ARR relic and even HW was quite deadly and freaking long...

    another point, i fail to understand why more choice in the top gear is a trouble... i means, raider do raid, because they like this.... i guess.... or are they masochist? i means doing something you hate only for a weapon is.... yeah masochism.
    Raid gear is the top gear for the 3 first month of a tier, it give you a freaking advantage on everyone else. sadly, this gear is pointless, i means if you beat the raid, without it, means you don't need it technically. yes it make the whole raid farming easier, but do it's needed for complet it? no.... it's a big bragging rights nothing more. an advantage for the next tier, not the actual tier...

    what is funny somehow, if we had other content as hard than raid that was asking you to have this gears usefull.... ohhh wait they added this, it's called ultimate and guess what... you get another weapon from there.
    in previous tier, you had this:

    delta raid hard mode pld weapon
    ultimate bahamut mode pld weapon

    means raider don't get the best weapon, but 2 best weapon, i fail to understand how make the relic on par with the hard mode of raid is soo much a trouble, since you get a whole armor and accessory set with this raid too... isn't already enough? plus if you really want to have the best weapon around, go do the ultimate, the fact that the ultimate that only give a weapon, is the best weapon bother me less than the hard mode raid weapon, that have soo many reward already in.

    i will resay what i have said countless time, more choice is not bad... right now, the best weapon is tie to 2 weapon and the best armor for the 3 first month of a tier is 1 armor set... and even at the end of a tier only 2 armor set.... we lack choice in equipement, how many time did wet get armor set from raid and tomes that was mediocre, i will not talk about the trouble i do face with ninja with sigmalice, i did get my whole set of sigmalice and use 3 crafted gear (the i350 set) and reach crazy amount of skillspeed.... (over 1700 Skill Speed)

    they need to add another mode that are not raiding, that is as hard than raid hard mode and maybe even ultimate that will give reward that can be serve as more gear for give choice to the player base...

    another thing bother me, a lot, recently it was said that Deep dungeon 2.0 30+ floor will be really challenging for a team of 4 player and as reward we will get a weapon that will be a junk... well maybe it will be less difficult than hard mode, we will not know before test it.... but why if they add a 4 man challenging content i'm sure that the reward will not be to the same level than raid.... because right, people like to say that raid is the real endgame.... when mmorpg end game is what you decide it is... it can be raiding, it can be crafting, it can be glamour, it can be pvp.... and even if i say this, for SE the only true endgame is raiding, what is not done by a lot of player.... how many people did beat the ultimate... 4-5% of the community?

    how many did beat alexander hard mode? remember it was less of 3% but still it's considered like the endgame, when even pvp gather more people... incredible.

    and we are still hostage of the raid for any sort of gear progression. everything we will get from primal, from relic, from deep dungeon will still below raiding. ohhh by the way, even with the raid 24 token for upgrade an armor, it will take 11 weeks for upgrade the whole set of armor and weapon.... when we have a cycle of patch of.... 3 month, means between 12 to 13 week? before the new tier arrive and make it ridiculous, since from then, you can simply do it in less of 3 day for get the same gears... since a new high level reward is available....

    *sarcasm on* but, it's true, raiding must be the only place that give the best gear, because they need it for do it.... *sarcasm off*

    all i see is relic can be very often far harder and tiring mentally to get than raiding and don't even deserve to be a par with it... when it's only one weapon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
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    First is one of the reason not the only reason. Second bahamut ultimate was so brutal that i believe u actually need the raid weapon so is not like you can skip it and get the best and also u have to beat the last raid of that cycle to even attempt it. Third the relic quest line is not hard just "long" so with just enough time anyone can do it. For raid weapon to get it you have to actually be good/skilled at your job to beat it. Why hand over the best weapon if you are not the "best"? Also i think you meant savage instead of hard.
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    I love the official forums, they tell you to use the search for thread about what you wanted to talk but when you use it they judge for necro a thread.


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    What are you gonna do with a powerful non raid weapon anyway? Use it to raid?
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    Skadi Felis
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    wait until the last main patch of the 4.x serie. Relic weapon is the best if the next expansion pack is only some months away.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    You sound just like a pessimistic member from my FC who has yet to even start ANY relic quest. If this is your thought process, then don't put effort into obtaining a relic or raid drop.

    Look. The glamour system allows your relic to stay relevant. It really just depends on your PoV. If you put in the effort to obtain a relic/raid weapon, and SE releases a better weapon that can be crafted the next day, then glam over it. It is really that simple. Why on earth do you think peeps still go after the ARR relic weapons, despite the fact that they are completely inferior to the weapons you can just buy in Ishgard?

    This gripe is one of the most ridiculous that constantly rings my ears. If you despise the horizontal progression that drives this game, then play another one that suits your tastes.
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    i like how some people explain how things work, while you have others throw in their rhetoric to make them feel alpha on a video game. this is for the rude individuals you don't know me and i don't know y'all but I'll be damn if i have my name slander with characteristics unfitting. 2.0 relics four completed, 3.0 relics nine completed, 4.0 relics all 355 completed, i been playing ffxiv since 2013 don't let the join date confuse you. but I now see how some people like to be rude, I'm a retired USAF Security Forces member and i can play what i like.
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    Last edited by kobe-sabi; 05-25-2018 at 11:18 PM.

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