Thread: Creepy possibility... [4.3 spoilers]

They go for the 'you bastard' route and he is possessing the deceased body of Hauchefant.
Which would do wonders for the WoL's psyche, especially Dark Knights.

It really is not going to be Haurchefant. It doesn't look like him beyond using the same basic face, and even if it did? Zenos probably has no idea that he ever existed, let alone the question of whether he's even able to possess someone who died several months ago and a long way away from Ala Mhigo.

If we're using the Sahagin chief as a previous example of what's going on, he only took over the bodies of people standing immediately next to him. It may only be a short-distance transfer.

I personally like the theory that...

Spoiler

...it's Haurchefant's body. >w>

I would love to say that this was my theory, but I'm just relaying something I read on an anonymous forum. RE: Elezenos

It's Estinien.

The reasoning here is that he was the one who destroyed Nidhogg's eyes, releasing the last bit of aether they had back into the world. Zenos used the power of the eyes and his own Resonance to control - and literally become - a primal. We know from the Sahagin priest that it's possible for a soul with the echo to "hop" from one body to the next, and given the power of Zenos and his Resonance combined with the timing of everything, Estinien makes the most sense from a purely FF14 standpoint.

Next we have the historical allusions, cause we all know SE and Yoshi love to slip in references to previous FF games. Estinien is basically Kain from FF4 in a lot of ways. His iconic armor, the DRG AF1 set, is a very faithful recreation of Kain's armor from FF4. Kain was "mind controlled" twice over the course of FF4 while Estinien has been "mind controlled" (or possessed if you will) once, during Heavensward. This would mark the second time, and given Estiniens past was filled with loss and suffering, it makes sense Zenos would be especially drawn to it. Plus there's the side benefit of Estinien being a battle-hardened veteran of hundreds of battles, so Zenos can more or less pick right up where he left off as far as physical combat ability goes.

In sum, it's a combination of larger "meta plot" reference and allusion coupled with the time and place of Zenos' death along with whoever was in proximity at the time.

Originally Posted by Quor

Kain was "mind controlled" twice over the course of FF4 while Estinien has been "mind controlled" (or possessed if you will) once, during Heavensward.

Actually.....

Estinien has already been possessed twice - the first time being during the (honestly rather confusing) climax to the ARR dragoon quests. So he doesn't need to be possessed again by Zenos to fulfil that historical allusion.

Also I'm not sure about him destroying Nidhogg's eyes being an opportunity for Zenos to posess him. Zenos's soul would have most likely been still in his body until it transferred to the Elezen soldier? Since he dies *after* we beat Shinryu, and his body doesn't seem to be in the vicinity of the Eyes when Estinien turns up. Although that's a different kind of plothole if they already cleared the bodies and left the Eyes there - but perhaps they simply weren't looking for them, and Estinien was.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Actually.....

Estinien has already been possessed twice - the first time being during the (honestly rather confusing) climax to the ARR dragoon quests. So he doesn't need to be possessed again by Zenos to fulfil that historical allusion.

Also I'm not sure about him destroying Nidhogg's eyes being an opportunity for Zenos to posess him. Zenos's soul would have most likely been still in his body until it transferred to the Elezen soldier? Since he dies *after* we beat Shinryu, and his body doesn't seem to be in the vicinity of the Eyes when Estinien turns up. Although that's a different kind of plothole if they already cleared the bodies and left the Eyes there - but perhaps they simply weren't looking for them, and Estinien was.

Come to think of it you're right. That punches a hole in that theory then. I had forgotten about the ending to the ARR DRG quests.

Garland database's use of Face 2 for Estinien is due to the the place holder face he had prior to 3.3's unmasking of him. His new model no longer uses face 2.