was that estinien

[Savagelf]

I hope he would join Scions of Seven Dawn. did he lose his Dragoon power.

how sad


he would've made awesome Crimson Dragoon

[MOZZYSTAR]

If you mean the elezen in 4.3., no it was..

Zenos, as hinted by the skills, his knowledge of how to disarmour garlean ships, and his dialogue

[Savagelf]

he must use glamour to appear as Elezen then he fool me, he look like Estinien

[basketofseals]

If you mean the elezen in 4.3., no it was

I think that's well understood, but people are wondering if Estinien got possessed again.

[Jonnycbad]

he must use glamour to appear as Elezen then he fool me, he look like Estinien

See below...

People with Echo can switch bodies, Zenos has Resonant which is artifical echo. An Ascian is now in Zenos's body, like how Thancred's body was possessed during ARR by Lahabrea. The real Zenos is in the body of the Elezan.

[Ariane]

I think that's well understood, but people are wondering if Estinien got possessed again.

Its not Estinien. They got different face settings, different hair color and different eye color according the Garland tools.

[Lothric]

I think that's well understood, but people are wondering if Estinien got possessed again.

iirc Estinien's eyes are much droopier than the 4.3 Elezen, and he looks a lot different in general, so I doubt it.

[Savagelf]

so the Crimson Dragoon is somewhere else. maybe make his armor match his new title

[Savagelf]

could he be part of shadow hunters, it not estinien but he behavior not like Zenith does and speak not like Zenith. he speak of his prey still living. could be he tried drive Scion to bring fight to empire at they captiol

if is Zenith he tried bring the battle of light and darkness against each other close at hand. He quite control I suppect he claim he want save the star is lie for control he desire has been to bring back his dark god. To warrior of light meet death would bring his plan to an completion.

[Iscah]

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This whole discussion probably needs spoiler tags on it guys. Use (hb)(/hb) with square-not-round brackets to hide text.

Right now there are "two Zenoses" around. There's the 'resurrected' Zenos who is heavily implied to actually be Elidibus in Zenos's body, and there's the 'mysterious Elezen' who seems to be Zenos's soul transferred into another body. Some sort of advanced use of the Echo/Resonance apparently. I need to go back over the details of it but there was a point in the post-ARR quests where a Sahagin was gifted with the Echo and able to transfer his soul into another.

Regarding the mystery Elezen looking like Estinien (even though it's not him), their details are different but they are both using the same basic face, so there's inevitably a degree of resemblance.