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  1. #11
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Who cares what other people do? If they feel like using charts, guides or even triggers, how does that impact you?
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Who cares what other people do? If they feel like using charts, guides or even triggers, how does that impact you?
    It's hot and cool now to make fun of people who struggle with math because "hurrdurr millennials"
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

  3. #13
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    Celie Lothaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    Frankly speaking, I doubt it'll help more than trying to do the math.
    I don't know how severe can dyscalculia be, but is it so bad that you'd get stuck with 1 digit numbers calculations ?
    Personal relevant background - I am halfway through a Masters Degree in Special Education, almost 5 years of working with students with various disabilities at the Middle and High School levels.

    Like most specific learning disabilities (dyscalculia is one, dyslexia is another) it can run on a spectrum of severities, but the commonality is that the individual with it struggles with some (or many) aspects of math. This can range from having trouble recalling math facts, to now being able to connect that 5 and five are the same thing, or just the speed at which they can do the mechanics like 2+2 or figuring out that 1+4 equals 5. They may even know the first dozen or so prime numbers from memorizing them, but their brain impacts their ability to do any addition needed to add their HP to a circle number to match it.

    This same person may be a brilliant writer and have an amazing grasp on the intricacies of history, incredible sports ability, or lightning fast reflexes in a video game and the ability to master rotations...and can still struggle with those simple elements of math due to dyscalculia.

    So while some may use this as a convenient shortcut (not hard to have it up on a second screen and check during those 10 or so seconds which you need to do), others will absolutely find this solution invaluable, to the point where it can be the difference between doing this specific mechanic without relying on others to call it out for them, or failing every time sans getting lucky.
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  4. #14
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Depending on the person, the chart could either make things easy, or make it even more complicated than it really is. I remember on the first day that I was having a lot of issues with that mechanic and any help people tried to give made the mechanic sound even more complicated (which resulted me in rage quitting and complaining at my friends). Now that I know what to do, from just watching videos, I get it.

    Subtract gives me debuff. See what number boss is casting. Make HP divisible with that number. If requesting indivisible, panic/ask friends if 1 is a Prime number/get Incorrect debuff because 1 isn't a Prime number...
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  5. #15
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    That chart would've been more helpful than the terrible explanation people were giving in the instance.
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    You are the living proof of the toxicity I am talking about.

  6. #16
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    Masekase Hurricane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    So I see people starting to make charts on how to handle that substract mechanic...

    In all honesty, please try to understand the mechanic instead of using charts... it is nothing hard.
    And also, because instead of helping, it looks like charts are actually making people even more confuse on how to handle said mechanic.
    Try this out https://www.understood.org/en/tools/...imulation=true I don't have dyscalculia, but it helped me understand what it is.
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    Last edited by Masekase_Hurricane; 05-26-2018 at 08:23 PM.

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    I ran the instance yesterday for the first time and found the fight to be quite fun. Nothing was explained but it was pretty straightforward to me on how the math worked. Math tends to be not liked very much (including by me) so it's not surprising and understandable to see people having issues with it though.

    I didn't know dyscalculia was even a thing until I saw this topic. Thank you for teaching me something new.

    I say use whatever tool you need in order to do the mechanic successfully.
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  8. #18
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    Pastahnak Popotonak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane View Post
    Try this out https://www.understood.org/en/tools/...imulation=true I don't have dyscalculia, but it helped me understand what it is.
    Well that was tough, now time to make a quiz where a giant robot tells you to divide that or he kills you.
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  9. #19
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    Veronica Amethyst
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    personally i think this mechanic should be made simpler, maybe use simpler math like plus and minus, or just replace the mechanic entirely with something anyone could do

    i myself have a learning disability and this mechanic really stresses me out, and i main a whitemage, so its kinda crucial that i get this mechanic down otherwise the other healer will get all the strain, i will be using the chart that was posted because i can leave it open in my second screen so i can have a quick glance at it when the mechanic comes about
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  10. #20
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    Jubii Io
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    Mateus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Doesnt the raid literally give the answers to the multiples and primes before the fight? If I remember correctly its somethin you gotta stop and interact with actually, so they probably dont pay attention to that. I actually found it interesting that a video game of all things made me recall my basic math lessons in school in order to succeed. Usually hop into games to escape the outside world, but I liked this. It was unique.
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