Don't use a chart for Construct 7, really...

[bounddreamer]

Consider, perhaps, that the charts may be helpful for people with dyscalcula, a learning disability, a language barrier, or simply issues doing math while multitasking. It's best to figure out how to do the mechanic properly if you can, but if others need a chart, that's not hurting your performance.

[Moogly]

Consider, perhaps, that the charts may be helpful for people with dyscalcula, a learning disability, a language barrier, or simply issues doing math while multitasking. It's best to figure out how to do the mechanic properly if you can, but if others need a chart, that's not hurting your performance.

Here's the said chart : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...chart_instead/

Frankly speaking, I doubt it'll help more than trying to do the math.
I don't know how severe can dyscalculia be, but is it so bad that you'd get stuck with 1 digit numbers calculations ?

As for multitasking, boss isn't attacking, so you have like 10 second to place yourself. If they have trouble calculating, may be they should stop DPS and focus on the mech ?

Biggest problem with a chart, is that you need to get your eyes out of the game to check it.
Also, if you already have trouble doing 1 digit maths, I really doubt a chart is going to help.

[silverlunarfox]

Here's the said chart : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...chart_instead/

Frankly speaking, I doubt it'll help more than trying to do the math.
I don't know how severe can dyscalculia be, but is it so bad that you'd get stuck with 1 digit numbers calculations ?

As for multitasking, boss isn't attacking, so you have like 10 second to place yourself. If they have trouble calculating, may be they should stop DPS and focus on the mech ?

Biggest problem with a chart, is that you need to get your eyes out of the game to check it.
Also, if you already have trouble doing 1 digit maths, I really doubt a chart is going to help.

Some people can't do the math on the top of their heads like that. So the chart is just a tool for those people to use. Just because you think it won't help doesnt mean it isnt actually going to help some people.

I appreciated the chart greatly. It's slightly better than the guessing I was doing! Also you mention taking your eyes off the game to check it, but you just said you had time to pause and figure out the mechanic, in other words do the math. so regardless its not a problem is it.

[Moogly]

Also you mention taking your eyes off the game to check it, but you just said you had time to pause and figure out the mechanic, in other words do the math. so regardless its not a problem is it.

Still, it'd take more time to consult a chart than to do that 1 digit calculation. Also this way, I am still looking at the game and not breaking my focus by looking at a paper, a tablet or even worse, alt-tabbing !

Why must people make simple things unneccessarily more complex and then it becomes the norm.
Why not take 1 minute to explain it, rather than linking those kind of things in chat... it's actually making more people fail due to the confusion lol

That mechanic really needs no chart... or maybe only this one : https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/...ables/O_10.png

[silverlunarfox]

Still, it'd take more time to consult a chart than to do that 1 digit calculation. Also this way, I am still looking at the game and not breaking my focus by looking at a paper, a tablet or even worse, alt-tabbing !

Why must people make simple things unneccessarily more complex and then it becomes the norm.
Why not take 1 minute to explain it, rather than linking those kind of things in chat... it's actually making more people fail due to the confusion lol

Pardon for the late reply....

Because flicking your eyes at a chart/list at the side of your monitor is so slow >.>

No one is making it more complex. For some people it just is complex.

Most the runs I've did no one even bothered to explain that mechanic. And since I do poorly at it since I haven't done that kind of math in over a decade, I can't help them either. I just watch them die. So if linking in the chat helps even one or two of the people, so be it.

People in this thread simply seem to think less of the people that can't do this mechanic and it's actually sad to see. We all have something we're not good at. Instead of cutting each other down or acting all high and mighty because its a mechanic you understand, find ways to help the people that can't do this! The chart and a list further down this thread is great, but are there other ways we could help? Instead of insulting others, are there other ways this may make sense to someone with a learning difficulty, or with a brain that just doesnt grasp math like other people? What else can we do?

[Maeka]

People in this thread simply seem to think less of the people that can't do this mechanic and it's actually sad to see. We all have something we're not good at. Instead of cutting each other down or acting all high and mighty because its a mechanic you understand, find ways to help the people that can't do this! The chart and a list further down this thread is great, but are there other ways we could help? Instead of insulting others, are there other ways this may make sense to someone with a learning difficulty, or with a brain that just doesnt grasp math like other people? What else can we do?

I've spent the whole thread offering a plethora of suggestions as to how someone with troubles could accomplish it easier.

As far as flicking your eyes being "slow", the fight comes to a complete halt for 13+ seconds. So your DPS stops for a few seconds while you get the stuff you need to solve the puzzle. Better than dying, ne?

[Elamys]

I've spent the whole thread offering a plethora of suggestions as to how someone with troubles could accomplish it easier.

As far as flicking your eyes being "slow", the fight comes to a complete halt for 13+ seconds. So your DPS stops for a few seconds while you get the stuff you need to solve the puzzle. Better than dying, ne?

There are other people in this thread and the community in general who are being kind of nasty to those who are struggling with the mechanic. It's great that you're trying to be helpful, but there's plenty who aren't.

[Berethos]

Frankly speaking, I doubt it'll help more than trying to do the math.
I don't know how severe can dyscalculia be, but is it so bad that you'd get stuck with 1 digit numbers calculations ?

Personal relevant background - I am halfway through a Masters Degree in Special Education, almost 5 years of working with students with various disabilities at the Middle and High School levels.

Like most specific learning disabilities (dyscalculia is one, dyslexia is another) it can run on a spectrum of severities, but the commonality is that the individual with it struggles with some (or many) aspects of math. This can range from having trouble recalling math facts, to now being able to connect that 5 and five are the same thing, or just the speed at which they can do the mechanics like 2+2 or figuring out that 1+4 equals 5. They may even know the first dozen or so prime numbers from memorizing them, but their brain impacts their ability to do any addition needed to add their HP to a circle number to match it.

This same person may be a brilliant writer and have an amazing grasp on the intricacies of history, incredible sports ability, or lightning fast reflexes in a video game and the ability to master rotations...and can still struggle with those simple elements of math due to dyscalculia.

So while some may use this as a convenient shortcut (not hard to have it up on a second screen and check during those 10 or so seconds which you need to do), others will absolutely find this solution invaluable, to the point where it can be the difference between doing this specific mechanic without relying on others to call it out for them, or failing every time sans getting lucky.