And so it begins again

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Not sure if youre trolling or not, but there's not a single PF for Tsuku that has WHM locked out. And I haven't seen any such thing since the patch dropped. Perhaps you stumbled across some guy wanting to speedrun it, in which case yes WHM will be locked out, but that's to be expected.

[MoroMurasaki]

I look forward to the next patch when AST gets 50% Balance, SCH gets a 30 second Aetherflow cooldown and WHM gets its Holy cast time reduced by 0.5 seconds if you use Cure III three times within 10 seconds.

I've only seen one AST/SCH locked spot myself though I admit I haven't been looking, I think perhaps you're overrepresenting it a bit?

Either way the quoted portion here made me lol, thank you for it. I feel this way too sometimes. You worded it well.

[Alisi]

The slots are locked to SCH or AST, it's not a case of someone leaving the party.

You can't say that for certain. I've been in groups where both tanks or multiple combos leave and the leader doesn't update the listing until someone points it out. It would seem that most party leaders don't know this happens. =P I've been in a lot of PF groups and I've yet to be with an AST. It's always been a WHM as my co-healer. I've never seen any state that WHMs aren't welcome in chaos. It's generally the 'no same class' BS for the healer LB. Of the 12 groups up on PF atm, none exclude WHM. One does, however, exclude SCH in favor of WHM/AST. I had a DPS leave the new dungeon at the start yesterday because SCHs aren't real healers and can't possibly be able to heal it. So does my anecdotal evidence prove SCH under powered or that some people are idiots?

[Miste]

And... my own... eyes? I literally said what I've experienced in the OP. You think I'm in the habit of making it up because I'm so desperate to prove how utterly redundant my main is? Chaos is certainly rife with it.

Did you see one single PF locking WHM out and are going full blown paranoia?

Considering other Chaos Data Center players have posted saying they have not seen any of the new EX primal PFs locking WHM out means something is wrong about what your "eyes" saw.

Someone is lying or full on over exaggerating and I really think it is you since multiple posters (and I even asked some friends I know on Chaos) can't seem to find this problem that you posted in your OP.

Also like I said unless you sent a /tell to the leader asking why it is locked you do not have the context and it may have been people dropping party while the PF was active therefore locking the slots and PF leader didn't fix it or doesn't know to fix it.

Also some ASTs may not like Nocturnal Sect or maybe aren't as skilled on Nocturnal Sect so they might prefer healing with a SCH and it kinda is their choice if it is their own PF or a friend putting it up. Also WHMs, at least on Primal, are so rampant that I find it hard to get into the new EX primal on WHM since most of the PFs already have one. People don't like double stacking same job.

So, no, your own "eyes" wasn't the proof I was asking for that, in your words, "a large number of groups are excluding WHM entirely."

If it was a large number of groups how come no one else has seen this but you?

Update:

Was browsing PF this morning for new EX primal and .....



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

Obviously SCHs have to worry!!! Everyone freak out!

Also DRG! They locked it to MNK and NIN :O

SCH and DRG need buffs confirmed.

[Tridus]

Thinking you need to optimize jobs for EX primals OMEGALUL

My favorite is the ilvl 355 minimum Lakshmi groups. Good times.

[Lunaxia]

Not sure if youre trolling or not, but there's not a single PF for Tsuku that has WHM locked out. And I haven't seen any such thing since the patch dropped. Perhaps you stumbled across some guy wanting to speedrun it, in which case yes WHM will be locked out, but that's to be expected.

No, it appeared in clear/ practice groups as well, which was all the more frustrating. Regardless, being expected to tolerate being shut out of certain types of groups because of "efficiency" is part of the problem in itself.

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No, I did not. I saw multiple groups, hence why I posted in disbelief after countless posts saying "there won't be a problem." I'm already seeing one, and considering we're two days into the patch it doesn't leave me optimistic.

If you want to believe I'm "lying" for dramatic effect for some strange reason, then that's your business, I suppose. It doesn't make what I've seen any less true, even if you choose not to believe it. And... really?

In general, I'd like to reiterate these were not old groups replacing members.

[Miste]

No, I did not. I saw multiple groups, hence why I posted in disbelief after countless posts saying "there won't be a problem." I'm already seeing one

Why are you the only one who seems to see this problem of a "large number of groups excluding WHM entirely."

Why is no one else seeing what you are seeing?

If it was a large amount of groups...that is a lot of groups, so is the percent really that high? I haven't yet seen any evidence of it.

That is why it is pretty obvious to me you are exaggerating or lying or both. If a large amount of groups were excluding WHMs entirely then other people would be seeing it and complaining with you....but where are they?

I play WHM too and my issue getting into the new EX primal on WHM is that most groups already have one in it (double stacking same jobs is meh) and I have yet to see a group lock any slots unless it was obviously due to people dropping out of the PF while it was active and locking the slot till the PF leader fixes it as per my joke above about the PF I came across. Other than that I have sent /tells to PF leaders about locked slots and the response is usually "oops, I guess when that person left it got locked I'll fix it"

Also like I said no matter what you "assume" like "oh they were not groups replacing members"...you don't know that unless you ask the PF leader and so far you haven't said you sent any /tells to PF leaders to get context, how do you know as an outsider they were not replacing members? I mentioned another piece of context about ASTs preferring or more skilled in a certain sect as well. Unless you ask you might be making the wrong assumptions.

[Moogly]

I guess OP probably got kicked out/refused entry once or twice and made it a common case.

Well from my only-pug exp, group that announce they want to make a perfect meta, no doubles, no noobs or whatever usually don't last more than 3 tries. It's more the group with a simple "kill party" announce that actually get the job done.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Since Tuesday evening, I have yet to see a single group locking out WHM on Aether, even farm groups. Either you're lying or perhaps trying to shift blame onto the job itself after someone criticised your ability to play it.

[Lunaxia]

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Who knows? A very small percentage of the player base actually come on the forums, and an even smaller portion are actually from Chaos, and an even smaller portion actively main WHM. I was merely looking for a group last night, and practically all the groups specified AST and several excluded WHM, which I haven't seen since the Great Balance Debacle of Heavensward. Had I not, I would have had no reason to make this.

I think it's fairly obvious when a group is replacing members, it looks similar to the SS you posted. These groups were new, ordered, several roles specified, no gaps in the party list.

ok

I've neither been criticised, nor am I lying.